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Originally posted by hostile View PostYeah. Kids neck muscles aren't developed enough to safely head a soccer ball. There are some 10 year olds out there with pretty strong legs.
Im all for minimizing head injury risk. Watching my daughter in HS head the ball makes me cringe.
First, aren't most youth head injuries in soccer caused by head-to-head collisions? One of my soccer recollections involved my son, who was 14 at the time, taking a direct head shot from his coach, a former professional soccer player. When I took my son for examination, the physician said there is little risk of injury because a soccer ball is compressed air and not solid or reasonably solid such as a baseball.
Second, I've see a good number of U-10s who are physically fit and capable of using correct form to head the ball, and in fact enjoy doing it. I suppose if you are speaking about redirection or whipping the ball, many will lack the muscular development but for straight on headers, do you believe that? Most younger players work first on straight on headers, before they learn to whip or redirect."Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."
Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.
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Originally posted by Topper View PostI certainly won't argue with you about physiology, but I have a couple of questions.
First, aren't most youth head injuries in soccer caused by head-to-head collisions? One of my soccer recollections involved my son, who was 14 at the time, taking a direct head shot from his coach, a former professional soccer player. When I took my son for examination, the physician said there is little risk of injury because a soccer ball is compressed air and not solid or reasonably solid such as a baseball.
Second, I've see a good number of U-10s who are physically fit and capable of using correct form to head the ball, and in fact enjoy doing it. I suppose if you are speaking about redirection or whipping the ball, many will lack the muscular development but for straight on headers, do you believe that? Most younger players work first on straight on headers, before they learn to whip or redirect.Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
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Originally posted by falafel View PostI've had a concussion from a soccer ball. Compressed air or not, it sure felt like a rock when it hit me straight in the face.
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Originally posted by Omaha 680 View PostAlso, doesn't some of the CTE research point to the possibility that the more common problem isn't necessarily the knockout type of concussions (although obviously it's bad to get many of those) but the accumulation of "sub-concussive" over a career? I also remember reading that researchers showed that heading of a soccer ball easily falls into the sub-concussive range they are worried about. I obviously could be getting this all wrong.Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
"The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American
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Originally posted by Omaha 680 View PostAlso, doesn't some of the CTE research point to the possibility that the more common problem isn't necessarily the knockout type of concussions (although obviously it's bad to get many of those) but the accumulation of "sub-concussive" over a career? I also remember reading that researchers showed that heading of a soccer ball easily falls into the sub-concussive range they are worried about. I obviously could be getting this all wrong."You interns are like swallows. You shit all over my patients for six weeks and then fly off."
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Originally posted by hostile View PostYes. It is the repetitive sub-concussion level injury that is concerning. Right now all the focus is on football but any sport is potentially at risk. Football coaches work on correct tackling technique and neck strengthening as a precaution. The nephew of my sons HS coach has presented some data on this to the NFL. The only demonstrable concussion I ever had was from basketball. Up to that point I had played more football and rugby combined without a known concussion.Last edited by Topper; 10-12-2017, 05:11 PM."Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."
Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.
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Originally posted by Topper View PostI don't know how the literature defines this. The wording makes it sound like being the object of a punching bag, not the occasional header one sees on the soccer field. Whether soccer players are at risk, I don't know, but I do know the rest of the world isn't concerned that this is an issue, or at least aren't taking precautions by limiting the age of youth practicing headers, or at least not yet. The truth is that many youth below U-8 can barely get the ball off the ground so that a header could be a concern. A lot of U-10 can't either.
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Originally posted by BigPiney View PostYou'll be happy to know it is banned at U12 as well."Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."
Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.
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Originally posted by Topper View PostWhere? Not in New York.
The Federation is recommending, and US Club Soccer is requiring immediately, new rules as it relates to heading, as follows:
Players in U-11 programs and younger shall not engage in heading, either in practices or in games.
Limited heading in practice for players in U-12 and U-13 programs. More specifically, these players shall be limited to a maximum of 30 minutes of heading training per week, with no more than 15-20 headers per player, per week.
Clubs should be aware of circumstances in which individual consideration is needed. For example:
A 10 year old playing at U-12 or older should not head the ball at all.
An 11 or 12 year old playing at U-14 or older should abide by the heading restrictions in practice.Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
"The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by BigPiney View PostAYSO here in CA.
Falafel quoted the rule as I understand it."Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."
Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.
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Originally posted by Topper View PostIs that competitive soccer? I am not familiar with that league.
Falafel quoted the rule as I understand it.Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
"The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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