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Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
"The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American
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Originally posted by falafel View PostIsn't that that similar to what we're talking about with soccer? There's no way that the costs of playing 70 games a year, plus travel, plus coaching, etc. is only $500/kid. Someone else was footing the bill, right? Sponsors or someone, and it likely wasn't just out of the goodness of their hearts.
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Originally posted by jay santos View PostNo, it doesn't need to be expensive. At least in my community, soccer is the only sport that I know of where the coach gets paid. They throw around a lot of marketing phrases about "professional training" and all that, but the reality is, it's no different than any other sport. In baseball, basketball, football, the assistant coaches of the high school program and/or a dad steps in and coaches for free. Sometimes they have to pay for facilities, but usually the school district is involved with the league, so that is done at a reduced rate. No need for travel. When you're 10, 11, 12 Orem can play Lone Peak and your kids will develop as well as if they travel to California and play. Developing youth sports is not nuclear physics. You have them run some drills, scrimmage, work on skill development. Put them in leagues against other teams. You don't need professionals involved.
Also, didn't you say that kids get scholarships to AAU and other competitive teams? So there you go - money is involved, its just coming from different places.Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
"The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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I think this is the main difference between soccer and say baseball or basketball, at least in my community. There are entrepreneurs or people trying to make some $ on youth sports in basketball and baseball, and there are clubs that charge exorbitant fees. But in basketball and baseball, there are a lot of alternatives, and a kid that loves the sport but has no money is going to play on teams for free or low cost long enough and with good enough coaching and competition, that you'll be identified as a stud and the high school coaches will take care of you at that point. In soccer, there is no structure. You either join the expensive club route at young age or quit the sport.
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Originally posted by jay santos View PostI think this is the main difference between soccer and say baseball or basketball, at least in my community. There are entrepreneurs or people trying to make some $ on youth sports in basketball and baseball, and there are clubs that charge exorbitant fees. But in basketball and baseball, there are a lot of alternatives, and a kid that loves the sport but has no money is going to play on teams for free or low cost long enough and with good enough coaching and competition, that you'll be identified as a stud and the high school coaches will take care of you at that point. In soccer, there is no structure. You either join the expensive club route at young age or quit the sport.Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
"The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by falafel View PostI agree with a lot of that, but how many dads are really able to develop soccer skills, vs. dads that can develop baseball and basketball skills? Did you play soccer at a high level as a kid Jay? I think its easier to get higher level coaching in sports other than soccer for free.
Also, didn't you say that kids get scholarships to AAU and other competitive teams? So there you go - money is involved, its just coming from different places.Last edited by jay santos; 10-11-2017, 11:52 AM.
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Originally posted by falafel View PostI agree with a lot of that, but how many dads are really able to develop soccer skills, vs. dads that can develop baseball and basketball skills? Did you play soccer at a high level as a kid Jay? I think its easier to get higher level coaching in sports other than soccer for free.
Also, didn't you say that kids get scholarships to AAU and other competitive teams? So there you go - money is involved, its just coming from different places.
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Youth soccer clubs piss me off so much, I want to rant some more. The kids shake hands before the game and don't shake hands but run and give a clap to the fans on both sides after the game. Like, are you intentionally trying to create a non-US atmosphere as hard as you possibly can? Every other gd sport we do, we shake hands after the game, and we don't do a running clap to the fans. Americanize the sport.
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Originally posted by jay santos View PostYouth soccer clubs piss me off so much, I want to rant some more. The kids shake hands before the game and don't shake hands but run and give a clap to the fans on both sides after the game. Like, are you intentionally trying to create a non-US atmosphere as hard as you possibly can? Every other gd sport we do, we shake hands after the game, and we don't do a running clap to the fans. Americanize the sport.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by creekster View PostIt's all those phony nice mormons.
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Originally posted by jay santos View PostSomeone decided we're going to copy European soccer in everything. We even changed the team ages to go from school year, which is how we do everything here, to calendar dates, so we can do a U-17 team that matches up with the actual team that will play in international soccer. So, that trickles down into a 10 year old kid trying to decide whether to play soccer or not, and his team is a mixed grade team, so he's not playing with his buddies, he's playing with half the kids either a grade older or a grade younger. One more reason not to choose soccer. One more dumb thing to screw youth soccer over with.
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Originally posted by jay santos View PostSomeone decided we're going to copy European soccer in everything. We even changed the team ages to go from school year, which is how we do everything here, to calendar dates, so we can do a U-17 team that matches up with the actual team that will play in international soccer. So, that trickles down into a 10 year old kid trying to decide whether to play soccer or not, and his team is a mixed grade team, so he's not playing with his buddies, he's playing with half the kids either a grade older or a grade younger. One more reason not to choose soccer. One more dumb thing to screw youth soccer over with.Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
"The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by jay santos View PostSomeone decided we're going to copy European soccer in everything. We even changed the team ages to go from school year, which is how we do everything here, to calendar dates, so we can do a U-17 team that matches up with the actual team that will play in international soccer. So, that trickles down into a 10 year old kid trying to decide whether to play soccer or not, and his team is a mixed grade team, so he's not playing with his buddies, he's playing with half the kids either a grade older or a grade younger. One more reason not to choose soccer. One more dumb thing to screw youth soccer over with.Dyslexics are teople poo...
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