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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    I would love to see England make a run but they are a cursed nation in international soccer lately.

    Second favorite would be Mexico but I don’t think they are very good.
    I say this every time, but England and Wales are dummies for not playing with each other as a unified team. For all I know one of the teams would like to play with the other. Wales hasn't made a world cup since the 50s. It seems like the English team could use a player like Gareth Bale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
    I say this every time, but England and Wales are dummies for not playing with each other as a unified team. For all I know one of the teams would like to play with the other. Wales hasn't made a world cup since the 50s. It seems like the English team could use a player like Gareth Bale.
    And Aaron Ramsey. That probably moves them up to the the top 5.

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    Usually there's one team with a lucky draw once they hit the knockout stage. If any of the top six find themselves in that kind of situation, I'd bet on them. I think there's enough parity at the top, it could be any of them. Germany's a juggernaut and their team work is fun to watch, but they're aging a bit. Brazil is peaking at the right time and probably the favorite. France is an exciting team to watch with young, fast, athletic guys. Spain is old but solid. Belgium will be fun to watch with Hazard and DeBruyne. Argentina has Messi and some other greats but bad team chemistry.

    I watch Premier League some, so I'll go for England, but outside of Harry Kane, I don't like their players much.

    For dark horse, I'll go with Uruguay with Godin anchoring strong backline and Suarez and Cavani up front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    You're easily confused. That is my world rankings top 10. notice in parenthesis "failed to qualify" after Italy.
    The "failed to qualify" was what confused me.

    I didn't follow qualifying. Did something crazy happen with Italy that they didn't qualify, but still deserve a top 10 ranking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    The "failed to qualify" was what confused me.

    I didn't follow qualifying. Did something crazy happen with Italy that they didn't qualify, but still deserve a top 10 ranking?
    It happens. If I did a top 20, I'd also add Netherlands, Chile, and Wales as teams that didn't qualify. South America qualifying was pretty wild. Going into the last game, Argentina looked like they might not make it. Chile ended up the one on the outs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    It happens. If I did a top 20, I'd also add Netherlands, Chile, and Wales as teams that didn't qualify. South America qualifying was pretty wild. Going into the last game, Argentina looked like they might not make it. Chile ended up the one on the outs.
    So the US is in good company of the failed to qualify bunch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    So the US is in good company of the failed to qualify bunch.
    Yeah, I'd say there's at least 7-8 teams better than us or same level that didn't qualify. In addition to those: Ecuador, Czech, Ivory Coast probably a couple others.

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    Table from a list of top 100 players poll published by the Guardian. They poll 100+ journalists and former players. It's probably a little slighted towards European players and especially Premier League or English players, but it's interesting. https://www.theguardian.com/football...17-interactive


    Here is the list of countries with most players in the top 150, pulled from the raw data. For a tie, second sort is the average ranking for the player(s). Pulisic came in at #77. Not too shabby when he's in the same general company as guys like Diego Costa, Mesut Ozil, Koke.

    Rank, Country, # of players in top 150
    1 Spain 18
    2 Brazil 17
    3 France 16
    4 Germany 13
    5 Italy 11
    6 Argentina 9
    7 Belgium 8
    8 England 7
    9 Croatia 4
    10 Netherlands 4
    11 Uruguay 3
    12 Portugal 3
    13 Poland 2
    14 Denmark 2
    15 Chile 2
    16 Senegal 2
    17 Bosnia-Herzegovina 2
    18 Sweden 2
    19 Slovakia 2
    20 Algeria 2
    21 Gabon 1
    22 Egypt 1
    23 France 1
    24 Slovenia 1
    25 Colombia 1
    26 Wales 1
    27 Guinea 1
    28 Serbia 1
    29 USA 1
    30 Costa Rica 1
    31 Armenia 1
    32 Austria 1
    33 Nigeria 1
    34 DR Congo 1
    35 Peru 1
    36 UAE 1
    37 Iceland 1
    38 Mexico 1
    39 Paraguay 1
    40 Turkey 1
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    Table from a list of top 100 players poll published by the Guardian. They poll 100+ journalists and former players. It's probably a little slighted towards European players and especially Premier League or English players, but it's interesting. https://www.theguardian.com/football...17-interactive


    Here is the list of countries with most players in the top 150, pulled from the raw data. For a tie, second sort is the average ranking for the player(s). Pulisic came in at #77. Not too shabby when he's in the same general company as guys like Diego Costa, Mesut Ozil, Koke.

    Rank, Country, # of players in top 150
    1 Spain 18
    2 Brazil 17
    3 France 16
    4 Germany 13
    5 Italy 11
    6 Argentina 9
    7 Belgium 8
    8 England 7
    9 Croatia 4
    10 Netherlands 4
    11 Uruguay 3
    12 Portugal 3
    13 Poland 2
    14 Denmark 2
    15 Chile 2
    16 Senegal 2
    17 Bosnia-Herzegovina 2
    18 Sweden 2
    19 Slovakia 2
    20 Algeria 2
    21 Gabon 1
    22 Egypt 1
    23 France 1
    24 Slovenia 1
    25 Colombia 1
    26 Wales 1
    27 Guinea 1
    28 Serbia 1
    29 USA 1
    30 Costa Rica 1
    31 Armenia 1
    32 Austria 1
    33 Nigeria 1
    34 DR Congo 1
    35 Peru 1
    36 UAE 1
    37 Iceland 1
    38 Mexico 1
    39 Paraguay 1
    40 Turkey 1
    Not all players are created equal. Egypt has Mohamed Salah, a top ten rated player.

    Why is France entered twice, once at number 3 and then again at number 23?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Not all players are created equal. Egypt has Mohamed Salah, a top ten rated player.

    Why is France entered twice, once at number 3 and then again at number 23?
    Salah's very good. The France thing must a be a glitch with space or special character that messed up my pivot table.

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    i've never been a soccer fan--growing up, it was the four-week sports segment I hated in P.E., in part because faster, little dudes kept kicking me in the shins. And though I enjoyed watching my kids and nephews play (two played for BYU), it's never held that much appeal for me. But this morning I listened to a Freakonomics podcast ("How to Catch World Cup Fever") about the World Cup and I'm now more onboard with tuning in over the coming days/weeks . (Go Iceland!!!). Nothing remarkable for dedicated fans, but some interesting stuff for people like me, including comparisons of Messi with Ronaldo, how crowds affect soccer refs and home field advantage, cheating within the FIFA organization (an investigation into how Russia was awarded hosting duties the World Cup revealed that, shockingly, all of Russia's computer records regarding the bid had been destroyed), etc. I suppose the target audience for the podcast won't even be reading this thread, but still...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    i've never been a soccer fan--growing up, it was the four-week sports segment I hated in P.E., in part because faster, little dudes kept kicking me in the shins. And though I enjoyed watching my kids and nephews play (two played for BYU), it's never held that much appeal for me. But this morning I listened to a Freakonomics podcast ("How to Catch World Cup Fever") about the World Cup and I'm now more onboard with tuning in over the coming days/weeks . (Go Iceland!!!). Nothing remarkable for dedicated fans, but some interesting stuff for people like me, including comparisons of Messi with Ronaldo, how crowds affect soccer refs and home field advantage, cheating within the FIFA organization (an investigation into how Russia was awarded hosting duties the World Cup revealed that, shockingly, all of Russia's computer records regarding the bid had been destroyed), etc. I suppose the target audience for the podcast won't even be reading this thread, but still...
    Welcome aboard. Btw, the cheating in Russia didn't just stop with an award of the bid. Notice how Russia got by far and away the easiest group. In terms of FIFA rankings, that group is the outlier. Strange how the host seed also got a virtual walk through out group stage. I imagine the computer records have been destroyed too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    i've never been a soccer fan--growing up, it was the four-week sports segment I hated in P.E., in part because faster, little dudes kept kicking me in the shins. And though I enjoyed watching my kids and nephews play (two played for BYU), it's never held that much appeal for me. But this morning I listened to a Freakonomics podcast ("How to Catch World Cup Fever") about the World Cup and I'm now more onboard with tuning in over the coming days/weeks . (Go Iceland!!!). Nothing remarkable for dedicated fans, but some interesting stuff for people like me, including comparisons of Messi with Ronaldo, how crowds affect soccer refs and home field advantage, cheating within the FIFA organization (an investigation into how Russia was awarded hosting duties the World Cup revealed that, shockingly, all of Russia's computer records regarding the bid had been destroyed), etc. I suppose the target audience for the podcast won't even be reading this thread, but still...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Welcome aboard. Btw, the cheating in Russia didn't just stop with an award of the bid. Notice how Russia got by far and away the easiest group. In terms of FIFA rankings, that group is the outlier. Strange how the host seed also got a virtual walk through out group stage. I imagine the computer records have been destroyed too.
    Uruguay is going to kick their butts.

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    How did this not get covered earlier?

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-1...-women/9769980

    Argentina's Football Federation is trying to contain an embarrassing scandal after it handed out a manual that includes advice on how to seduce Russian women during the World Cup.

    The manual was handed out to journalists, players and coaches during a free course about Russian language and culture organised by the national federation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    How did this not get covered earlier?

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-1...-women/9769980
    My guide would be: Not be Russian, have some money.

    BTW, young Russian are really pretty. After 30 or so it goes downhill fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Uruguay is going to kick their butts.
    That I anticipate but we need Egypt to kick as well so that Russia doesn't advance. Watching Putin at World Cup is reminiscent of seeing film of Hitler in the 1936 Olympics. We need plenty of Jesse Owens' moments in this World Cup. Unfortunately, we're not likely to see that in the pathetic Group A.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPiney View Post
    My guide would be: Not be Russian, have some money.

    BTW, young Russian are really pretty. After 30 or so it goes downhill fast.
    I haven't met enough to have an adequate sample size, but my inadequate sampling of real Russian women leads me to suspect they are money-grubbing cigarette smoking cynical and hypercritical babes who burn out real fast. I couldn't imagine being with one for very long if I were otherwise interested. Thanks, but no thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    That I anticipate but we need Egypt to kick as well so that Russia doesn't advance. Watching Putin at World Cup is reminiscent of seeing film of Hitler in the 1936 Olympics. We need plenty of Jesse Owens' moments in this World Cup. Unfortunately, we're not likely to see that in the pathetic Group A.
    Everybody should find it easy to cheer for a great player and all-around nice person Mo Salah over Putin and the Russians. Go Egypt!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    Everybody should find it easy to cheer for a great player and all-around nice person Mo Salah over Putin and the Russians. Go Egypt!
    Salah is a fun player to watch.
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    Well, that was a fun game. Wish they could all be that good.

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    Don’t watch Group A. None of those games will be good.
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    I love that Argentina didnt play the ball out there. Way too often players take injuries to stop the flow of play. I don't GAF about being "sporting". Unless it is an obvious serious injury, wait until the ball is out to check on the guy.

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    Well Argentina is on life support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    I love that Argentina didnt play the ball out there. Way too often players take injuries to stop the flow of play. I don't GAF about being "sporting". Unless it is an obvious serious injury, wait until the ball is out to check on the guy.
    Play is only supposed to stop for "serious injury". That is subjective, but they seem to stop it for everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    Well Argentina is on life support.
    Some of these teams will recover, but imagine if many of these teams don't survive, Germany, Argentina, Brazil, Colombia and Peru. They're all positioned badly at this stage.
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    Allez les bleus!!

    France advances today. They don’t look spectacular, but they are good enough so far. I snuck into the open executive office today and watched the second half.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Allez les bleus!!

    France advances today. They don’t look spectacular, but they are good enough so far. I snuck into the open executive office today and watched the second half.
    How can you not like a team that wears blue? I watched much of the game in flight, and noted their opponent had lots of great runs, but the shots were from too far out. Peru's Manager looked distraught throughout the game.

    OTOH, it's hard to cheer for a team wearing red, i.e., Spain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    How can you not like a team that wears blue? I watched much of the game in flight, and noted their opponent had lots of great runs, but the shots were from too far out. Peru's Manager looked distraught throughout the game.

    OTOH, it's hard to cheer for a team wearing red, i.e., Spain.
    I’ve been in Peru for the last week or so. Watched the game today with a bunch of elementary school kids. Obviously everyone was disappointed with the outcome but it was a blast watching their reactions throughout the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hostile View Post
    I’ve been in Peru for the last week or so. Watched the game today with a bunch of elementary school kids. Obviously everyone was disappointed with the outcome but it was a blast watching their reactions throughout the game.
    I actually like Peru and Peruvians are great people. I was conflicted because I usually root for the underdog but want France to do well.
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