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    Wow. That's really funny.
    So that's what you call me. You know, that or, uh, His Dudeness, or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Wow. That's really funny.
    Supposedly this is the October Surprise. I'm surprised at how groundbreaking this is. It's set back surprising anti-mormon efforts at least three decades.
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    it would be pretty bamf to have an international criminal for a prophet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheidippides View Post
    Supposedly this is the October Surprise. I'm surprised at how groundbreaking this is. It's set back surprising anti-mormon efforts at least three decades.
    You have got to be kidding.
    So that's what you call me. You know, that or, uh, His Dudeness, or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    You have got to be kidding.
    Don't think so, from what I gather. I didn't have high hopes in the first place, but this is pretty lame. Matches what Tom Phillips was saying about depositions and such.

    I can't imagine that TSM ever sets foot in England over this.
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    More grist for the mill with one person's opinion:
    http://mormondisclosures.blogspot.co...-to-court.html

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    Lame. They're going to prosecute a religious leader for fraud, for encouraging his flock to believe in religious claims? There's plenty of those to go around. Mormondom seems like a small target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by optimomojo View Post
    More grist for the mill with one person's opinion:
    http://mormondisclosures.blogspot.co...-to-court.html
    Tom Phillips, the acting prosecutor, is a retired management consultant. A Mormon convert since 1969, he has served as a Bishop, Stake President and Area Executive Secretary. He received the unspoken and secret ordinance of the second anointing. He also served as the Area Controller for the British Isles and Africa as well as the Financial Director for the Church’s U.K. corporate entities.
    Seems like a pretty clear conflict of interest for the prosecutor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by optimomojo View Post
    More grist for the mill with one person's opinion:
    http://mormondisclosures.blogspot.co...-to-court.html
    you should be charged with 1st degree stupidity.
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    Sorry but I view this in the same light as those that sue McDonald's for making them fat. Just stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueintheface View Post
    Sorry but I view this in the same light as those that sue McDonald's for making them fat. Just stupid.
    People are speculating that there are a whole lot of financial fraud allegations that go behind this. But I'm with you. Not impressed.
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    LOL, and there are those in this country who admire the European system.

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    Ex-Mos are hilarious.

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    This could be a PR nightmare if the media run with it.
    We all trust our own unorthodoxies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark Addison View Post
    Ex-Mos are hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
    This could be a PR nightmare if the media run with it.
    For who?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheidippides View Post
    People are speculating that there are a whole lot of financial fraud allegations that go behind this. But I'm with you. Not impressed.
    Fraud? Is it a question of how the money is being used or how it is acquired?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheidippides View Post
    For who?
    Exactly. Cameron could be the guy that finally gets Capone Monson
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    Oh brother

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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Seems like a pretty clear conflict of interest for the prosecutor.
    falafel, this appears to be a "private prosecution"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private...United_Kingdom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueintheface View Post
    Fraud? Is it a question of how the money is being used or how it is acquired?
    Maybe it is an income equality thing? I admit I don't understand European Socialism although President Obama is doing a good job of trying to teach me.

    In Europe do the rich churches have to redistribute to the poorer churches? Perhaps the Church hasn't been reporting it's real income and defrauded the poorer churches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheidippides View Post
    Supposedly this is the October Surprise. I'm surprised at how groundbreaking this is. It's set back surprising anti-mormon efforts at least three decades.


    The Steve Young thing was way better.
    So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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    If I were representing TSM or the church, one of my strategies might be to encourage the CPS in the UK to take over the case and drop it as quietly as possible.

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    I hope he shows up. It would be a great addition to the scriptures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCcoug View Post
    I hope he shows up. It would be a great addition to the scriptures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCcoug View Post
    I hope he shows up. It would be a great addition to the scriptures.
    Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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    Here's how a *somewhat* similar case against Scientology played out in France:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...in-France.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheidippides View Post
    For who?
    For the Church. Reports that President Monson was served in a fraud case, even one like this, are very bad. Your average person out there does not have the education, context, or inclination to look into a "story" like this in any depth. Journalists, who don't exactly love the LDS Church by and large, will frame the thing as they see fit. And worse, this sort of thing fits nicely into old tropes and stereotypes about Mormons.

    I don't think this is the Nauvoo Expositor revisited, but in PR terms this isn't good. In legal terms, I assume the Church's army of lawyers will do everything they can to make even this summons go away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCcoug View Post
    I hope he shows up. It would be a great addition to the scriptures.
    If the jail in which he was residing were blown asunder I might reconsider my current position.
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