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    gun and survivalist culture really is repulsive. the fact that someone who is willing to drop everything and drive to nevada looking for a gunfight with feds can qualify to own an unlimited number of firearms is really disconcerting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    Cliven, you commie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Oh, it's not over. Not by a long shot. From my FB feed:
    Having watched House of Cards (And know that is real life), I should of known better.. Can't wait to see in the news about Harry Reid's home in Vegas being vandalized by shoehorns..

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    I spoke in two meetings at a range conference in Southern Utah last week, and there is virtually unanimous support for Brady. He no doubt handled things wrong - he should have hired Budd-Fallen out of Cheyenne to fight his battle for him years ago - but he has a point that every rancher empathizes with; that many feds are drunk with power and will use any excuse to eliminate cattle from the range.
    That's what it comes down to. I support him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by venkman View Post
    That's what it comes down to. Whatever his faults, whatever his mistakes, he's fighting tyranny not to mention fighting for his rights as a goddamn American. I support him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabrockster View Post
    Having watched House of Cards (And know that is real life), I should of known better.. Can't wait to see in the news about Harry Reid's home in Vegas being vandalized by shoehorns..
    Harry makin' money on this deal?

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    Every time I see Bundy Ranch in print, somehow I read it as Brady Bunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    Cliven, you commie.
    Whoops.

    Tell you what, I'll stop calling him Clyde if you stop calling him Brady:

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    As an aside, the Nevada Cattlemen are avoiding the fight because they are a political organization and don't want the BLM to retaliate against its members. I spoke in two meetings at a range conference in Southern Utah last week, and there is virtually unanimous support for Brady. He no doubt handled things wrong - he should have hired Budd-Fallen out of Cheyenne to fight his battle for him years ago - but he has a point that every rancher empathizes with; that many feds are drunk with power and will use any excuse to eliminate cattle from the range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Whoops.

    Tell you what, I'll stop calling him Clyde if you stop calling him Brady:
    I'll take that as validation for my dyslexia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    Every time I see Bundy Ranch in print, somehow I read it as Brady Bunch.
    Funny. I see it as Bunny Ranch. Different sort of terrorism going on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    Every time I see Bundy Ranch in print, somehow I read it as Brady Bunch.
    Interesting. When I see this , I think of Al Bundy from Married with Children..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Whoops.

    Tell you what, I'll stop calling him Clyde if you stop calling him Brady:
    I was just seeing if you were paying attention. Deal. Btw, I've been busy, but don't give up on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabrockster View Post
    Interesting. When I see this , I think of Al Bundy from Married with Children..
    Interesting, when I see it, I think of Dylan Bundy who I wish were up in the Show playing for the O's.

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    Bundy won. America lost.

    The Bundy Range War was perpetuated by an irresponsible media vying for nothing more than ratings and an ill-informed and willfully ignorant public who, much like a NASCAR fan, come to the race simply in hopes of seeing a crash.

    The militia groups, at least some, may have had noble intentions of some sort in the spirit of constitutionally- laden principles, but ultimately appeared to be the disgruntled and disenfranchised fanatical fringe element looking not for a cause to fight for, but a fight to support and glorify their cause.

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    Did I hear right. Is this thing all about saving some Turtle? How noble we are. Cultures and societies have become and are becoming far more about us and nature all living in perfect harmony.

    I wouldn't doubt when we eventually prove ourselves, nature will decide to make hurricanes, tornadoes less destructive. We can coincide with nature if only we will listen to people like Al Gore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byu71 View Post
    Did I hear right. Is this thing all about saving some Turtle? How noble we are. Cultures and societies have become and are becoming far more about us and nature all living in perfect harmony.

    I wouldn't doubt when we eventually prove ourselves, nature will decide to make hurricanes, tornadoes less destructive. We can coincide with nature if only we will listen to people like Al Gore.
    Wasn't it in Vegas Al went like a turtle and stuck his head out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    Wasn't it in Vegas Al went like a turtle and stuck his head out?
    LOL Apparently someone told Tipper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byu71 View Post
    Did I hear right. Is this thing all about saving some Turtle? How noble we are. Cultures and societies have become and are becoming far more about us and nature all living in perfect harmony.

    I wouldn't doubt when we eventually prove ourselves, nature will decide to make hurricanes, tornadoes less destructive. We can coincide with nature if only we will listen to people like Al Gore.
    The guy hasn't paid his grazing fees in over 20 years, but that's ok, because he's a goddamn American.
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    Quote Originally Posted by byu71 View Post
    Did I hear right. Is this thing all about saving some Turtle? How noble we are. Cultures and societies have become and are becoming far more about us and nature all living in perfect harmony.

    I wouldn't doubt when we eventually prove ourselves, nature will decide to make hurricanes, tornadoes less destructive. We can coincide with nature if only we will listen to people like Al Gore.
    Are there any circumstances under which we should make an effort to save a species from extinction?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Are there any circumstances under which we should make an effort to save a species from extinction?
    That reminds me of my friend the sage grouse that seems to live everywhere if you believe the BLM and Forest Service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Are there any circumstances under which we should make an effort to save a species from extinction?
    Yes. When it doesn't physically or financially inconvenience us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPiney View Post
    That reminds me of my friend the sage grouse that seems to live everywhere if you believe the BLM and Forest Service.
    The sage grouse is a perfect example of everything that is wrong with the ESA. Listing a species as threatened requires no scientific evidence, just enough signatures on a petition. anyone who thinks the sage grouse is threatened is smoking crack. Still, now that it's listed, oil, gas, grazing, and mining activities are vastly more expensive, if possible at all, because of the red tape introduced by the grouse listing. This doesn't have anything to do with protecting species and everything to do with radicals using the ESA to control land that is often held privately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Are there any circumstances under which we should make an effort to save a species from extinction?
    Certainly I would. I would listen to the arguments from either side. I would then make my decisiion based on things I could quantify. For example if it could be proven that having the Turtle go extinct would ruin the habitat and make create the makings of a situation like happened in Oklahoma in I think the 30's, I would say let's save them.

    Because they are here on the earth and have lived for hundreds of thousands of years, that as the reason wouldn't cut anything with me. They have no feelings. They aren't going to be pissed they are going extinct. They don't have relatives who will wreak revenge on us eventually.

    So bottom line if you can't justify their existence for the future benefit of man, then yea I don't worry about them.

    Right now we are the top of the food chain. I especially don't understand those who don't believe in God,not understanding the food chain concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byu71 View Post
    Certainly I would. I would listen to the arguments from either side. I would then make my decisiion based on things I could quantify. For example if it could be proven that having the Turtle go extinct would ruin the habitat and make create the makings of a situation like happened in Oklahoma in I think the 30's, I would say let's save them.

    Because they are here on the earth and have lived for hundreds of thousands of years, that as the reason wouldn't cut anything with me. They have no feelings. They aren't going to be pissed they are going extinct. They don't have relatives who will wreak revenge on us eventually.

    So bottom line if you can't justify their existence for the future benefit of man, then yea I don't worry about them.

    Right now we are the top of the food chain. I especially don't understand those who don't believe in God,not understanding the food chain concept.
    So if it can be proven that losing a species would cause a disaster similar to what wheat farming did to the Great Plains (the greatest environmental disaster in US history), then you would support it? Otherwise, screw the animals?

    I guess I am not surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    The sage grouse is a perfect example of everything that is wrong with the ESA. Listing a species as threatened requires no scientific evidence, just enough signatures on a petition. anyone who thinks the sage grouse is threatened is smoking crack. Still, now that it's listed, oil, gas, grazing, and mining activities are vastly more expensive, if possible at all, because of the red tape introduced by the grouse listing. This doesn't have anything to do with protecting species and everything to do with radicals using the ESA to control land that is often held privately.


    Here are the official rules:

    https://www.fws.gov/endangered/esa-l...df/listing.pdf

    Although we may initiate listing proposals, we also may start the listing process with a petition from any member of the public. However, petitions need the support of biological data.
    ...
    Within one year of receipt of the petition, we must make a finding whether the listing is warranted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    So if it can be proven that losing a species would cause a disaster similar to what wheat farming did to the Great Plains (the greatest environmental disaster in US history), then you would support it? Otherwise, screw the animals?

    I guess I am not surprised.
    I am not into screwing animals. Perhaps that is something those who love animals above all else find satisfying, but I find it repulsive.

    I also am not surprised at the take you have on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byu71 View Post
    I am not into screwing animals. Perhaps that is something those who love animals above all else find that satisfying.

    I also am not surprised at the take you have on it.
    What is my take?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Dang, I would have liked to read it, but it doesn't pass our companies security web site test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    What is my take?
    LOL, you know may take and shouldn't be surprised. However, I don't know your take?

    I wish you really knew as much as you think you know. We could make a fortune if you would allow yourself to be materialistic for just a little while.

    Anyway, if you didn't mean the "I shouldn't be surprised" and the "screw the animals" as negative reflections on my opinions, I apologize. MY comment on your "knowing" becomes very inappropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by byu71 View Post
    LOL, you know may take and shouldn't be surprised. However, I don't know your take?
    I specifically asked you and you responded. I was just curious how you knew my take when I don't recall posting it.

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    I wish you really knew as much as you think you know.
    Says the guy who thinks he can read my mind. Ha.
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