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    This battle in Nevada seems to be gaining some legs.. When you see links with words such as "Range War", "Snipers", "Standoff at Nevada Ranch" on drudge. Can't be good.. I think he is making it sounds worse then it is, but what do I know..

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    Nevada Governor got involved in lashing out against the feds.

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    This is interesting to me because I listened to a TED talk by Allan Savory on holistic grazing. I also know cowboy and then you have this issue in Nevada, so I'm kind of an internet expert on the subject.

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    Wow. You know Mormons have arrived in the news when Drudge reports it.

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    It's the damn oil and gas companies' fault!!!

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    These people are insane.

    I love how the guy filming repeats "We are not the aggressors." Someone's going to get hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-ute View Post
    These people are insane.

    I love how the guy filming repeats "We are not the aggressors." Someone's going to get hurt.
    I didn't see the poor lady get thrown down, but that could have been a lot worse. The dude with the brown shirt and cell phone camera has a mullet that delivers.
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    Having grown up in St. George, I went to school with a million Bundys. Needless to say, the St. G facebook circles are blowing up over this issue. Here's something that has been circulating for a few days:

    SHIREE BUNDY COX: I have had people ask me to explain my dad's stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the servival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repaires and improvements of the ranches. My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these money's against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they're own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren't doing their job. He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down.

    So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes. In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didn't work, they used the indangered species card. You've already heard about the desert tortis. Well that didn't work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now their desperate. It's come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America. Now you may be saying," how sad, but what does this have to do with me?" Well, I'll tell you. They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again. Next, it's Utah's turn. Mark my words, Utah is next.

    Then there's the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn't paid them, those cattle do belong to him. Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even exsisted. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad's signature on it. They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Aucion and sell them. All with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are?
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    I didn't see the poor lady get thrown down, but that could have been a lot worse.
    Here's an instagram video of the lady getting tossed down. Stupid move by the BLM officer.
    http://instagram.com/p/mmChBWjOkK/#
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    Interesting. I just read some of Cliven's statements, and he's sending some mixed messages for sure (I'm still not sure if he's making a 10th Amendment argument or a prescriptive rights/adverse possession argument. Both, I guess).

    It seems like this could have been avoided with some good lawyerin', but then again, I've negotiated with cattle ranchers who trust lawyers less than they trust the feds.

    Seems like the dude should be happy he was able to use federal lands for 2 decades free of charge without complying with the requirements of the ESA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    Having grown up in St. George, I went to school with a million Bundys. Needless to say, the St. G facebook circles are blowing up over this issue. Here's something that has been circulating for a few days:


    Here's an instagram video of the lady getting tossed down. Stupid move by the BLM officer.
    http://instagram.com/p/mmChBWjOkK/#
    I wonder how quickly Drudge will post that video up... Surprised I have not seen it yet, but with Sebelius falling on her sword today as well, he has put that as the top news for today..



    That was bad form of the BLM officer.. I am curious to know how the BLM officers are trained in enforcement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    Here's an instagram video of the lady getting tossed down. Stupid move by the BLM officer.
    http://instagram.com/p/mmChBWjOkK/#
    Pretty sure I saw some Mormon whale tale (i.e. Gs) on the woman in the red shirt at the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dabrockster View Post
    I wonder how quickly Drudge will post that video up... Surprised I have not seen it yet, but with Sebelius falling on her sword today as well, he has put that as the top news for today..



    That was bad form of the BLM officer.. I am curious to know how the BLM officers are trained in enforcement?
    Textbook training - make an example of the one in the group least likely to fight back.
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    None of the women in the video are hot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripletDaddy View Post
    None of the women in the video are hot.
    Margaret is a rural honey who bore 11 kids. I am pretty convinced a day of branding does her body more harm than the BLM officer who threw her into the ground did. I also think that it doesn't look real legit to have some dickhead calling 911 for medical help who doesn't even know where he is.
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    This is entering the Nevada political debate now. This is from the Republican candidate for AG.

    Las Vegas, NV – Today, Adam Laxalt released the following statement concerning the U.S. Department of Interior’s Bureau of Land Management and their tactics against a Nevada cattle rancher in Bunkerville.

    “Like many Nevadans, I am disturbed by events that have transpired near Bunkerville. The men and women involved are ranchers, friends and fellow church-going residents of our state. These individuals appear to be peacefully asserting the fundamental truth that there are, in fact, Constitutional limits to the power of our federal government. In response, the BLM over-reached, launching a military-style invasion against a small Golden Butte area rancher. Meanwhile, the BLM simultaneously designated "First Amendment Areas" nearby.

    “Our federal government derives its power through the liberty that each of us yield to it. Therefore, it should not unnecessarily use force to intimidate its citizens while simultaneously playing lip service to their right to free speech. It is my hope that cooler heads will prevail, that our laws and our Constitutional protections will be fully respected. I urge the BLM to reconsider its approach.

    “And finally, this is yet another example of why it's important for Nevadans to gain more control over our lands and the decision-making process in how it is managed. When the federal government owns and regulates seven of every eight acres of our state, confrontations on bad policy, regulation and management are going to continue. It's how we ended up in the Jarbidge dispute, the fight over Yucca Mountain, numerous debates over endangered species protections and countless other battles.

    “It is my hope that this matter before us today is resolved peacefully, while renewing Nevada's commitment to take further control over our lands and our state's destiny.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    Having grown up in St. George, I went to school with a million Bundys. Needless to say, the St. G facebook circles are blowing up over this issue. Here's something that has been circulating for a few days:



    Here's an instagram video of the lady getting tossed down. Stupid move by the BLM officer.
    http://instagram.com/p/mmChBWjOkK/#
    Despite yesterday's good news, I should still update my resumé to better catalog my indangered tortis work.

    That was poor form by the BLM officer. He should have just let her get hit by one of the trucks (similar to the lady on the ATV) and cut down on some of the noise. My favorite was the pregnant lady in the K-9 officer's face yelling that he better not be socking his dog on a pregnant woman! These people seem to be very fortunate for the restraint that they're receiving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    I've followed this thread while I've been working the last few days, and made a special trip into the house to type a reply. Having a working relationship with both the BLM and the Forest Service, and having worked as a consultant on a range battle in Wyoming that ultimately went to the SCOTUS (my part in it was negligible, but I came to be very familiar with the case,) I will say that the arguments for both sides boil down to two things: 1) an issue of state's rights/individual liberties versus federal authority (ie, do the feds have to adhere to state statutes and eminent domain laws with their management plans,) and 2) The perception (and often reality) of the feds promoting a more radical agenda through the Trojan Horse of 'stewardship'.

    Regarding the first issue, most western states are 'fence out' states, meaning that if you want to keep the neighbor's cattle off your property, you need to build a fence. Many states, including Wyoming, have statutes that require both neighbors to share the cost of a new fence if one landowner initiates the intent to build a fence. These laws were designed to make both landowners share the responsibility of containing cattle that were there way before nesting homesteaders started moving in a squatting on rangeland controlled by the cattlemen. The feds have thumbed their nose at these statutes, and basically told all cattlemen that they will be fined for trespassing if stray cattle wander onto grazing allotment. Some people see this as the feds thumbing their noses at the states and making their own rules, which doesn't sit well with locals.

    Personal rights, and eminent domain also come into play with this discussion. The Taylor Grazing act was specifically written to protect the tenure of ranchers who had been grazing lands for decades on the public range. It has evolved, much like the rent controlled real estate of New York, into grazing permits become assets that can be bought and sold. There is a high discount rate due to uncertainty surrounding Federal direction, but the permits have value nonetheless. When the BLM swoops in and reduces the number of cattle that can be run on a permit, the action, in my mind, constitutes a taking that should be reimbursed through eminent domain. The issue is complicated by the fact that many permits have a substantial amount of acreage that I run cattle on, with all of the water being located on private land. Despite this, the BLM controls how many animals I can run, and what dates I can turn in and come home. In some cases, the BLM has even threatened to cancel permits if landowners didn't grant them access to the private lands in the allotments. In one case in particular, BLM employees resorted to harassment and vandalism to try to force the issue. None of this applies to the case in Nevada, where Bundy clearly vacated his right to a permit by discontinuing payment.

    Unfortunately, the bigger issue when in comes to federal land management is the sue and settle culture of the environmental lobby. At best, this keeps the good federal employees more interested about avoiding a lawsuit with Western Watershed than actually managing the land for productive use. At worst, it puts the feds in bed with Western Watershed and its radical environmental cronies, who care little about land stewardship, to achieve the ultimate goal of eliminating livestock from federal lands. When they aren't suing over permit renewals, these groups are creating bogus claims of endangered species to try to control both private and federal lands. A case in point is the potential listing of the sage grouse as a threatened species. There is nothing threatened about this species, as evident of the fact that Montana and Wyoming have hunting seasons on them to control the population. Still, because listing proposals have to be based on very little, if any science, sage grouse listing has become an issue, and the burden is on us as ranchers working with the Fish and Wildlife to prove that the species isn't threatened in order to keep them from essentially taking our private land and public grazing permits. That may have been the case with the desert tortoise, but true or not, the tactic has been used for frivolous purposes so often that most western people will take the cynical view.



    The BLM and Forest spend far less time trying to manage land than they do trying to cover their asses from lawsuits by the radical environmental movement. We currently have good people in our BLM and Forest Service offices, but our meetings with them spend 80% of the time figuring out how we can make improvements without being sued by Western Watershed and 20% of our time identifying actual management concerns. I had to hire my own counsel and private range consultent this year just to help our BLM range con navigate the permit renewal to avoid triggering a lawsuit.

    But your sarcasm has merit. Guys like Bundy make ranchers look like radical freemen, an give those of us who try to improve the range a bad name.

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    I have a close friend who works for the BLM in Cedar City. I'm thinking about sending this to him since it's far more cogent and interesting than anything he's been able to explain to me.
    He told me that the cost of all the cops & law enforcement is stretching into the millions.

    Also, Iron County's government is thinking that this case somehow allows them to go and round up some of the wild horses out by Lund & Modena.
    http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/utah-county-cites-hypocrisy-clark-county-roundup
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solon View Post
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    I have a close friend who works for the BLM in Cedar City. I'm thinking about sending this to him since it's far more cogent and interesting than anything he's been able to explain to me.
    He told me that the cost of all the cops & law enforcement is stretching into the millions.

    Also, Iron County's government is thinking that this case somehow allows them to go and round up some of the wild horses out by Lund & Modena.
    http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/utah-county-cites-hypocrisy-clark-county-roundup
    Rereading that, it looks like I was smoking something when I wrote it. I was on the phone at the time, and I'm obviously not a great multitasker. Aside from poor grammar, one sentence in particular makes no sense. The bolded sentence was intended to read as follows:

    "The issue is complicated by the fact that many permits have a substantial amount of acreage that is private. Over half of the largest permit that I run cattle on consist of private land, with all of the water being located on private land. Despite this, the BLM controls how many animals I can run, and what dates I can turn in and come home. "

    As an aside, the Nevada Cattlemen are avoiding the fight because they are a political organization and don't want the BLM to retaliate against its members. I spoke in two meetings at a range conference in Southern Utah last week, and there is virtually unanimous support for Brady. He no doubt handled things wrong - he should have hired Budd-Fallen out of Cheyenne to fight his battle for him years ago - but he has a point that every rancher empathizes with; that many feds are drunk with power and will use any excuse to eliminate cattle from the range.

    To your second point about wild horses, the BLM is doing just that up here in Wyoming. Most of the 'wild' horses on public rangeland are old ranch horses that were turned out to retire. One such herd is being rounded up and sold not far from me.

    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    I've followed this thread while I've been working the last few days, and made a special trip into the house to type a reply. Having a working relationship with both the BLM and the Forest Service, and having worked as a consultant on a range battle in Wyoming that ultimately went to the SCOTUS (my part in it was negligible, but I came to be very familiar with the case,) I will say that the arguments for both sides boil down to two things: 1) an issue of state's rights/individual liberties versus federal authority (ie, do the feds have to adhere to state statutes and eminent domain laws with their management plans,) and 2) The perception (and often reality) of the feds promoting a more radical agenda through the Trojan Horse of 'stewardship'.

    Regarding the first issue, most western states are 'fence out' states, meaning that if you want to keep the neighbor's cattle off your property, you need to build a fence. Many states, including Wyoming, have statutes that require both neighbors to share the cost of a new fence if one landowner initiates the intent to build a fence. These laws were designed to make both landowners share the responsibility of containing cattle that were there way before nesting homesteaders started moving in a squatting on rangeland controlled by the cattlemen. The feds have thumbed their nose at these statutes, and basically told all cattlemen that they will be fined for trespassing if stray cattle wander onto grazing allotment. Some people see this as the feds thumbing their noses at the states and making their own rules, which doesn't sit well with locals.

    Personal rights, and eminent domain also come into play with this discussion. The Taylor Grazing act was specifically written to protect the tenure of ranchers who had been grazing lands for decades on the public range. It has evolved, much like the rent controlled real estate of New York, into grazing permits become assets that can be bought and sold. There is a high discount rate due to uncertainty surrounding Federal direction, but the permits have value nonetheless. When the BLM swoops in and reduces the number of cattle that can be run on a permit, the action, in my mind, constitutes a taking that should be reimbursed through eminent domain. The issue is complicated by the fact that many permits have a substantial amount of acreage that I run cattle on, with all of the water being located on private land. Despite this, the BLM controls how many animals I can run, and what dates I can turn in and come home. In some cases, the BLM has even threatened to cancel permits if landowners didn't grant them access to the private lands in the allotments. In one case in particular, BLM employees resorted to harassment and vandalism to try to force the issue. None of this applies to the case in Nevada, where Bundy clearly vacated his right to a permit by discontinuing payment.

    Unfortunately, the bigger issue when in comes to federal land management is the sue and settle culture of the environmental lobby. At best, this keeps the good federal employees more interested about avoiding a lawsuit with Western Watershed than actually managing the land for productive use. At worst, it puts the feds in bed with Western Watershed and its radical environmental cronies, who care little about land stewardship, to achieve the ultimate goal of eliminating livestock from federal lands. When they aren't suing over permit renewals, these groups are creating bogus claims of endangered species to try to control both private and federal lands. A case in point is the potential listing of the sage grouse as a threatened species. There is nothing threatened about this species, as evident of the fact that Montana and Wyoming have hunting seasons on them to control the population. Still, because listing proposals have to be based on very little, if any science, sage grouse listing has become an issue, and the burden is on us as ranchers working with the Fish and Wildlife to prove that the species isn't threatened in order to keep them from essentially taking our private land and public grazing permits. That may have been the case with the desert tortoise, but true or not, the tactic has been used for frivolous purposes so often that most western people will take the cynical view.



    The BLM and Forest spend far less time trying to manage land than they do trying to cover their asses from lawsuits by the radical environmental movement. We currently have good people in our BLM and Forest Service offices, but our meetings with them spend 80% of the time figuring out how we can make improvements without being sued by Western Watershed and 20% of our time identifying actual management concerns. I had to hire my own counsel and private range consultent this year just to help our BLM range con navigate the permit renewal to avoid triggering a lawsuit.

    But your sarcasm has merit. Guys like Bundy make ranchers look like radical freemen, an give those of us who try to improve the range a bad name.
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    Looks like the bad publicity on the BLM has caused them to back off and maybe they will sit at the table to work this out.. Probably a good thing because I think this would have gotten worse..

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    that many feds are drunk with power and will use any excuse to eliminate cattle from the range.
    Thanks for clarifying.

    The above hits home to me. I'm all for punishing a guy who's breaking the law, but the way the feds want to flex while they do it rubs me the wrong way.

    To your second point about wild horses, the BLM is doing just that up here in Wyoming. Most of the 'wild' horses on public rangeland are old ranch horses that were turned out to retire. One such herd is being rounded up and sold not far from me.
    The Spanish trail runs through Iron county and many of the wild horses are descendants from Spanish ponies. They're pretty thrilling to see, but they are over-populated right now. What we really need is some natural predators.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dabrockster View Post
    Looks like the bad publicity on the BLM has caused them to back off and maybe they will sit at the table to work this out.. Probably a good thing because I think this would have gotten worse..
    Oh, it's not over. Not by a long shot. From my FB feed:

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    From Doug Hagmann
    I was contacted by my source within the Department of Homeland Security regarding the current situation at the Bundy Ranch. To put it bluntly, the people are being hoodwinked into believing that the situation is being resolved. It is not. It is a strategic de-escalation to fool the public. This source stated that the retreat of the BLM agents and the release of the cattle was actually crafted as a potential plan yesterday (Friday, 11 April 2014) based on the following:
    1. A military assessment of satellite and drone surveillance imagery of the “patriot resistance. Drones under the control of the U.S. military were in use, taking real-time photographic images of not just the activity at the ranch, but "identifying the protesters, any arms and any supplies they might have or be carrying. “Mission accomplished.”
    2. Real-time communication intercepts between patriots on-site and their off-site support;
    3. Active monitoring of internet traffic regarding the coverage of events at ranch;
    4. The monitoring of real-time video from the scene.
    This source stated that a response by the patriot movement was anticipated, although exceeded their expectations. Although this was a real operation, they also ran this as a test case for future government operations once they saw the response. They were also actively managing the media, in some cases threatening to cut off White House access to anyone covering the event.
    Despite this, the coverage by the alternative media began to create a public relations problem that was not easily managed. Note the lack of acknowledgment by the White House regarding this event. They are intentionally framing it as a state issue, despite the fact that all federal response has been and continues to be from the White House. There is a reason for this – a reason that has not been identified in any of the public reports to date. I will explain in further detail in a follow-up report on Sunday, after this source attends [redacted] to obtain more specific information about future federal operations. Regardless, according to this source, the government will take back ‘their land’ as they must to fulfill international obligations. It was never about grazing rights or anything other than (1) “securing clear title” to the land, and (2) further demonizing any patriotic resistance. It is my understanding, based on the information from this source, that it is a critical task to create a situation that will also advance their agenda of gun control and confiscation.
    A more detailed report will follow on Sunday, 13 April 2014, with additional and much more specific information about their inside plans and future operations.PLEASE MAKE THIS VIRAL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Oh, it's not over. Not by a long shot. From my FB feed:
    i am sure that obama is in the war room now, praying to lenin for guidance on how to further demonize the patriots who defend their wives and children from rape and torture at the hands of federal land management stormtroopers.
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    It's a real shame you meanies drove off IPU. This is right in his wheelhouse.
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    It's a real shame you meanies drove off IPU. This is right in his wheelhouse.
    You're the one chased off the Utes with the name change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    You're the one chased off the Utes with the name change.
    Pshaw... You think a real patriot like Clyde Bundy would whimp out due to a little name change?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Pshaw... You think a real patriot like Clyde Bundy would whimp out due to a little name change?
    Cliven, you commie.

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