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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    If a woman told you she was in an argument with her husband, she got in the shower, and he dragged her out of the shower to argue more, you would tell her to call the cops, and then advise her to leave and get a restraining order? Just curious, what would the cops do? Honest question.
    And what would the prosecutor do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    If a woman told you she was in an argument with her husband, she got in the shower, and he dragged her out of the shower to argue more, you would tell her to call the cops, and then advise her to leave and get a restraining order? Just curious, what would the cops do? Honest question.
    It all depends on what constitutes being "dragged out of the shower". I certainly have been in arguments with my wife where one of us wants to be done with the fight and so we try and do "something else" only to have that "something else" interrupted by the other person to continue the argument. I don't think that either of us ever felt abused in those instances, but I am sure we were annoyed by the argument continuing when one party wanted it to be over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    If a woman told you she was in an argument with her husband, she got in the shower, and he dragged her out of the shower to argue more, you would tell her to call the cops, and then advise her to leave and get a restraining order? Just curious, what would the cops do? Honest question.
    Potentially refer charges to the prosecutor for DV assault. They also may not refer charges because of the he said/she said nature of it.

    In Utah, if I could prove those facts, it wouldn't be hard to get the entry of a protective order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpfunk View Post
    Potentially charge him with DV assault. They also may not charge him because of the he said/she said nature of it.

    In Utah, if I could prove those facts, it wouldn't be hard to get the entry of a protective order.
    You don't even need proof for a protective order. In the case of someone I know very well, a protective order was issued in spite of significant proof that nothing happened.

    She later confessed tom him that she was lying. "Yeah, you didn't touch me, but I could tell by the look in your eyes that you wanted to."

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    I think it's tough to judge exactly what to do with the shower incident. I think it qualifies as physical abuse. It certainly isn't as harmful to health as a punch to the face. But alarm bells should be ringing anytime someone physically prevents another from detaching from an argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    I think it's tough to judge exactly what to do with the shower incident. I think it qualifies as physical abuse. It certainly isn't as harmful to health as a punch to the face. But alarm bells should be ringing anytime someone physically prevents another from detaching from an argument.
    This is great. I am going to tell my wife to stop abusing me when she stands in front of the TV while trying to continue an argument. She is physically preventing me from disengaging.

    BTW this guy is a dirtbag as evidenced by the punch he delivered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flystripper View Post
    This is great. I am going to tell my wife to stop abusing me when she stands in front of the TV while trying to continue an argument. She is physically preventing me from disengaging.

    BTW this guy is a dirtbag as evidenced by the punch he delivered.
    Does she grab you from your chair and take you into another room? Is so, then I think it's time to consider getting a restraining order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    Does she grab you from your chair and take you into another room? Is so, then I think it's time to consider getting a restraining order.
    Whoa whoa whoa, who said anything about going in another room?
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    What about fast talking? Where does that rate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Whoa whoa whoa, who said anything about going in another room?
    He came to the shower and grabbed me by the shoulders and pulled me out of the shower to continue arguing
    You are right. I assumed too much. It could have just been pulling her out of the shower and onto the bath mat, so she could hear him more clearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    You are right. I assumed too much. It could have just been pulling her out of the shower and onto the bath mat, so she could hear him more clearly.
    I've also heard that he turned off the shower, as he didn't want there to be any excess noise to distract from the conversation.

    funk, don't forget to put that in your application for a TRO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    A classic Mr. Nice Guy. Robert Glover's book, No More Mr. Nice Guy has the Peter Priesthood Mormon stereotype nailed. People who haven't read it should do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    Given added context of the history and verbal and emotional abuse, the shower incident does seem pretty bad...of course that wasn't at all the impression given in the linked article above. Kudos to this lady for being so open and honest. MJ and I know a seemingly normal family where teh husband was called as a bishop. This was the ward we lived in prior to moving to Texas and the wife is a good friend of MJs as they served together in YW. About two years ago MJ got a note from the lady saying she had left the husband and documented a history of constant physical, emotional and sexual abuse by teh husband. I guess she stuck around through it for so many years for many of the reasons that Portman's ex-wife discusses. Crazy to think that this happens much more often than we imagine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
    A classic Mr. Nice Guy. Robert Glover's book, No More Mr. Nice Guy has the Peter Priesthood Mormon stereotype nailed. People who haven't read it should do so.
    I guess I don't understand what a "Peter Priesthood" is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    I guess I don't understand what a "Peter Priesthood" is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Self awareness is the first step!
    Ha!

    I'd always thought it was a super devout Mormon guy, not a wife beater.
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    The Rob Porter mess is putting the Church back on the front page. This piece on CNN's website is a reasonable outsider's view of the Church and how its culture (and local leaders) might not always be as good at reacting to spousal abuse as it should be. This would be a good topic for a First Sunday quorum meeting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    The Rob Porter mess is putting the Church back on the front page. This piece on CNN's website is a reasonable outsider's view of the Church and how its culture (and local leaders) might not always be as good at reacting to spousal abuse as it should be. This would be a good topic for a First Sunday quorum meeting.
    The reports if at all accurate are shocking to me, as I would have expected the leaders to do something about it, immediately.

    I know there is a hotline to SLC for sexual abuse, but isn't there also one for spousal and child abuse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    Ha!

    I'd always thought it was a super devout Mormon guy, not a wife beater.
    If you read the book, you'll see the connections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    You don't even need proof for a protective order. In the case of someone I know very well, a protective order was issued in spite of significant proof that nothing happened.

    She later confessed tom him that she was lying. "Yeah, you didn't touch me, but I could tell by the look in your eyes that you wanted to."

    I've shared about my dad's crazy third wife who, when he divorced her, accused him of all sorts of crazy things. She'd go get a restraining order, which was paid for by the local women's shelter and free to her. There was no proof of anything but Dad would have to pay a lot of money to get it removed. The next day, Crazy ExWife would go get another restraining order, which cost her nothing, and Dad would have to pay to get it removed. This happened 3-4 times in a row and eventually, I begged mom to help dad out, and she pro-bono'd him to remove a couple of the restraining orders.

    Dad's Crazy Ex-wife's favorite thing was to attend Dad's sacrament meeting. It wasn't her home ward- it was his. She'd sit in the back row, where Dad couldn't see her and had no idea she was even there. Then she'd call the cops and get them to drag dad out of the meeting. She loved to do this during Sacrament because it was maximal disruptus and maximal embarricus for him. This happened a few times before the ward turned on her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katy Lied View Post
    I've shared about my dad's crazy third wife who, when he divorced her, accused him of all sorts of crazy things. She'd go get a restraining order, which was paid for by the local women's shelter and free to her. There was no proof of anything but Dad would have to pay a lot of money to get it removed. The next day, Crazy ExWife would go get another restraining order, which cost her nothing, and Dad would have to pay to get it removed. This happened 3-4 times in a row and eventually, I begged mom to help dad out, and she pro-bono'd him to remove a couple of the restraining orders.

    Dad's Crazy Ex-wife's favorite thing was to attend Dad's sacrament meeting. It wasn't her home ward- it was his. She'd sit in the back row, where Dad couldn't see her and had no idea she was even there. Then she'd call the cops and get them to drag dad out of the meeting. She loved to do this during Sacrament because it was maximal disruptus and maximal embarricus for him. This happened a few times before the ward turned on her.
    That's brutal...

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    Rob Porter is my ex-husband. Here’s what you should know about abuse.

    Then there is the just-as-serious issue of being believed and supported by those you choose to tell. Sometimes people don’t believe you. Sometimes they have difficulty truly understanding what you are trying to tell them. Both Willoughby and I raised our cases with clergy. Both of us had a hard time getting them to fully address the abuse taking place. It wasn’t until I spoke to a professional counselor that I was met with understanding.
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    Yes, it is too late... Mormons should just join the Libertarian party.

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    Looks like polygamy is still very much a thing in Chorley, Lancashire for mormons.
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    Tonga's churches of sorrow and gratitude

    Churches, however, proved to be literal life-savers; around 6000 people sought shelter in them on the night of storm, not trusting their own homes to weather 200kmh winds.

    The National Emergency Management Office's logistics advisor Graham Kenna said Tonga's sturdily built Mormon churches were responsible for the lack of cyclone-related deaths in the kingdom that night.

    Mormon churches in Tonga are built out of bricks to American standards, he said, and were known to withstand powerful storms better than the often simply constructed local homes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    25 years ago, I was on Vancouver island on my mission, and we tracted into a guy who was a contractor that built a small chapel there recently. He said if there was ever an earthquake, tsunami, or other catastrophic even, he would be heading to the church. The churches construction specs were much higher than the existing codes there. Unfortunately, that was his extent of interest in the church. I guess the Spirit doesn't testify to the truth of the gospel through blueprints, just the scriptures.

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