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    Good grief that is horrific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RC Vikings View Post
    It doesn't give a time frame but I wonder how he ends up with 5 or 6 year old girls alone and so many times he lost track?
    I doubt he lost track. Seems more like he's dissembling.
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    Excuse me if this has already been posted and I missed it--I really didn't know where to post this exactly, but she is Mormon, and it is in the news. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendl...=socialnetwork

    Given that it was a private post and she didn't discuss these matters with students, I think it was wrong for her to be fired. I get that it is within their rights, but unless I'm missing something, it seems harsh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soccermom View Post
    Excuse me if this has already been posted and I missed it--I really didn't know where to post this exactly, but she is Mormon, and it is in the news. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendl...=socialnetwork

    Given that it was a private post and she didn't discuss these matters with students, I think it was wrong for her to be fired. I get that it is within their rights, but unless I'm missing something, it seems harsh.
    So this was her official private announcement:

    “This is my official announcement and declaration that I believe heterosexuality and homosexuality are both natural and neither is sinful. I will never support the phrase ‘love the sinner, hate the sin’ because that “sin” is part of who that person is,” she wrote.
    I dunno, I think she either knew or should have known this would be a problem for her boss. Consider:

    I will always and forever stand up for the equality of the LGBT community. Sexuality and gender are not binary, they are on a spectrum and that’s how we were made. Stand up for humanity, love people because of who they are… not despite who they are.
    Is this a private stand for equality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soccermom View Post
    Excuse me if this has already been posted and I missed it--I really didn't know where to post this exactly, but she is Mormon, and it is in the news. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendl...=socialnetwork

    Given that it was a private post and she didn't discuss these matters with students, I think it was wrong for her to be fired. I get that it is within their rights, but unless I'm missing something, it seems harsh.
    I saw that earlier today and my first impression was that BYU Idaho had done something dumb, but then I read the post that she made. You can't call out the church so directly and so aggressively like that and expect to remain employed at BYU anywhere. Furthermore she is not regular faculty but an adjunct prof., i.e., an instructor on a temporary contract. Those folks are given a very short leash.
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    Not that this completely relevant, but why is BYU-I hiring folks with Bachelors degrees as adjunct professors?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    Not that this completely relevant, but why is BYU-I hiring folks with Bachelors degrees as adjunct professors?
    Because they are **adjunct** professors. Like I said, these are not regular faculty. These are just temp hires to fill holes in the teaching schedule. Similar to paying a graduate student to teach a class one semester.

    One of the problems with modern academia is an ever-increasing reliance on adjunct faculty. When a tenured faculty retires, they will sometime not hire a replacement but shuffle the teaching assignments and hire an adjunct or two to fill a gap. The retired person was probably making $100-200K plus benefits but the adjuncts are paid peanuts ($1500-2500 per course is not uncommon) and they are part-time so you don't have to pay benefits. Then they take the cost savings and hire more admins.

    BYU has largely ignored this trend and they rely very little on adjunct faculty, thereby resulting in a much better undergraduate experience for the students.
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    I understand the difference. I just assume that even adjunct professors at a 4-year university be held to higher standards. Community colleges in TX usually require a masters, even for adjunct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    I understand the difference. I just assume that even adjunct professors at a 4-year university be held to higher standards. Community colleges in TX usually require a masters, even for adjunct.
    Yeah, even our local public school (i.e., elementary, middle, and high school) requires teachers with masters degrees... Of course, we are talking about BYU-I here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    I understand the difference. I just assume that even adjunct professors at a 4-year university be held to higher standards. Community colleges in TX usually require a masters, even for adjunct.
    Depends how desperate they are. If you only have BS/BA degree holders to choose from, that is what you get.
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    When I was thinking about her status as adjunct, I was wondering if this is her sole source of employment, or is it just a part-time gig?
    Unfortunately we live in a world where words have meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I saw that earlier today and my first impression was that BYU Idaho had done something dumb, but then I read the post that she made. You can't call out the church so directly and so aggressively like that and expect to remain employed at BYU anywhere. Furthermore she is not regular faculty but an adjunct prof., i.e., an instructor on a temporary contract. Those folks are given a very short leash.
    When she announced she was going on Dehlin's podcast today she lost most of her credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaka View Post
    When she announced she was going on Dehlin's podcast today she lost most of her credibility.
    Haha. There you go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    When I was thinking about her status as adjunct, I was wondering if this is her sole source of employment, or is it just a part-time gig?
    pretty tough to live on $300/semester
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    Gee, I wonder if this was planned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaka View Post
    When she announced she was going on Dehlin's podcast today she lost most of her credibility.
    I'm glad someone is giving her a platform and a minimum of four hours to tell her tale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    I'm glad someone is giving her a platform and a minimum of four hours to tell her tale.
    The usual suspects (including some of our former posters) are outraged on social media. Oh the humanity!
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    I think BYU-I is silly for both hiring and firing her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    I think BYU-I is silly for both hiring and firing her.
    Contempt for both sides. A pragmatic approach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Contempt for both sides. A pragmatic approach.
    I wonder at what point overuse of adjunct faculty becomes an accreditation issue (if at all)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    The usual suspects (including some of our former posters) are outraged on social media. Oh the humanity!
    I want names!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    I wonder at what point overuse of adjunct faculty becomes an accreditation issue (if at all)?
    adjuncts are the future bro. deans will outnumber full professors 3:1 and adjuncts will muddle their way through every single class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    I wonder at what point overuse of adjunct faculty becomes an accreditation issue (if at all)?
    Good question. Not sure.

    This case notwithstanding, BYU (including BYU-I) uses a relatively small percentage of adjunct faculty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    I want names!!
    He drives a red jeep and lives in Sin City.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    He drives a red jeep and lives in Sin City.
    Sounds like donuthole


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    The usual suspects (including some of our former posters) are outraged on social media. Oh the humanity!
    I saw one on my FB feed. Are there any other places I should be looking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    Gee, I wonder if this was planned.
    They've established a pattern:

    1. Victim finds out they are to become aggrieved. For example: Their testimony may be interrupted or they have found out they will be losing their job.
    2. Two weeks to a month later within minutes of each other, ex-mo subreddits blow up, articles from multiple sources appear, and the aggrieved officially claims victim status.
    3. One to two days after the articles the victim is interviewed by John Dehlin.

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    Insert my standard post here where I say if I ever leave the church I'm following the Flystripper model of apostasy. Spending so much time get agitated over something you have left behind is so perplexing to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    Insert my standard post here where I say if I ever leave the church I'm following the Flystripper model of apostasy. Spending so much time get agitated over something you have left behind is so perplexing to me.
    Some folks need validation.
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    I have never talked to Dehlin, sought out an interview, or been 'coached' in one of his conferences. But I haven't unfriended him yet. I'm in the middle of the apostasy spectrum.

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