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  • Originally posted by MartyFunkhouser View Post
    Religion is a choice.
    This is a gross oversimplification. I don’t fully disagree, but it’s not a strong argument.
    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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    • Originally posted by Moliere View Post
      This is a gross oversimplification. I don’t fully disagree, but it’s not a strong argument.
      It's an absurd distinction. There are many things protected in the bill of rights that are based on choice, not genetics.
      "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
      "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
      "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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      • Originally posted by creekster View Post
        You're simply wrong here. He never argues for greater protections in the quotation. He says the bases for protection apply with equal or greater force to religion (which was my point above) but he never says there must be greater protection. The fact is that some of these protected statuses will come into conflict. His point is that religion deserves as much respect as gender or sexuality. The fact that YOU equate the LDS church's doctrine/policy to discrimination does not mean that it constitutes an illegal discrimination and, if anything, underscores the importance of the analytical starting point that he is urging. But you know all this. It seems lijke you might just be looking for another chance to complain about the church.
        Bingo.
        "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
        "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
        "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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        • Originally posted by Moliere View Post
          Agreed that its not a bogeyman. Defending religious liberty is important even if religious rights for Christians aren’t currently being trampled on. I wonder if funk would be fine with repealing the voting rights act since blacks now face little obstacle in voting in the south.

          And to flat out state that religions aren’t being discriminated against is to deny history, specifically Mormon history. Mormons have been discriminated against in the past. It’s important to make sure it never happens again.
          Yes Mormons have been discriminated against in the past. It is also a long ago past. I support protecting the religious freedom of Mormons. Let's be honest here though, this is entirely about making sure the LDS church gets to continue to engage in discriminatory behavior against homosexuals without any repercussions and advocate for discriminatory laws against homosexuals without repercussions. It just gets packaged as "religious freedom" just like it was packaged as a battle between "marriage equity" and "traditional marriage."

          Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
          It's an absurd distinction. There are many things protected in the bill of rights that are based on choice, not genetics.
          Compare it to those rights. Compare it to the right to free speech. Compare it to rights to vote. Compare it to any number of rights that are not choices. The LDS church doesn't get to speak of the rights of homosexuals in invoking their religious freedom rights when they actively advocated and spent millions of dollars seeking to deny rights to them. I'm sure you would just be hunky dory if an LGBTQ group tried to deny you the right to marry because you are LDS then a few years later when they rightfully lost, talked about how their rights need to be protected just like yours.
          As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
          --Kendrick Lamar

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          • Originally posted by MartyFunkhouser View Post
            Compare it to those rights. Compare it to the right to free speech. Compare it to rights to vote. Compare it to any number of rights that are not choices. The LDS church doesn't get to speak of the rights of homosexuals in invoking their religious freedom rights when they actively advocated and spent millions of dollars seeking to deny rights to them. I'm sure you would just be hunky dory if an LGBTQ group tried to deny you the right to marry because you are LDS then a few years later when they rightfully lost, talked about how their rights need to be protected just like yours.
            Funk, you aren't very good at making these arguments.
            "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
            "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
            "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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            • Originally posted by MartyFunkhouser View Post
              Yes Mormons have been discriminated against in the past. It is also a long ago past. I support protecting the religious freedom of Mormons. Let's be honest here though, this is entirely about making sure the LDS church gets to continue to engage in discriminatory behavior against homosexuals without any repercussions and advocate for discriminatory laws against homosexuals without repercussions. It just gets packaged as "religious freedom" just like it was packaged as a battle between "marriage equity" and "traditional marriage."



              Compare it to those rights. Compare it to the right to free speech. Compare it to rights to vote. Compare it to any number of rights that are not choices. The LDS church doesn't get to speak of the rights of homosexuals in invoking their religious freedom rights when they actively advocated and spent millions of dollars seeking to deny rights to them. I'm sure you would just be hunky dory if an LGBTQ group tried to deny you the right to marry because you are LDS then a few years later when they rightfully lost, talked about how their rights need to be protected just like yours.
              Actually I'd feel like they were making progress of they did that. Moving away from dumb arguments should be applauded, not punished.
              Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

              "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

              GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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              • https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ada/738185002/

                FLDS but close enough for this thread. 24 wives and 149 children, i say if he can remember the names of all his kids they let him go otherwise lock him up.

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                • Originally posted by RC Vikings View Post
                  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ada/738185002/

                  FLDS but close enough for this thread. 24 wives and 149 children, i say if he can remember the names of all his kids they let him go otherwise lock him up.
                  I used to e-mail with Winston Blackmore for information re: a law review article I helped to write.

                  It's been a while, but I don't believe that they're FLDS anymore (or if they are, that they follow Warren Jeffs). When we were writing, Jeffs had tried to oust him and several others in BC, but distance and lack of an effective God Squad led to Blackmore being head of the group in Bountiful. They may have mended fences. Winston showed some impressive agility in currying favor with the Utah AG-appointed special fiduciary who was assigned the FLDS assets held in the United Effort Plan Trust.

                  I will say that he goes on more hunting trips around North America than you'd expect from a man who supports dozens of wives, but that's none of my business.
                  Jesus wants me for a sunbeam.

                  "Cog dis is a bitch." -James Patterson

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                  • Originally posted by RC Vikings View Post
                    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ada/738185002/

                    FLDS but close enough for this thread. 24 wives and 149 children, i say if he can remember the names of all his kids they let him go otherwise lock him up.
                    Maybe there are a lot of widows in British Colombia who need someone to look after them? It's been a few years since every able bodied Canadian man was directed to open his box of faith and assemble at the tree in Edmonton.

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                    • Originally posted by Green Monstah View Post
                      I will say that he goes on more hunting trips around North America than you'd expect from a man who supports dozens of wives, but that's none of my business.
                      maybe he makes them work to support his hunting trips. #jealous
                      I'm like LeBron James.
                      -mpfunk

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                      • Not quite the news, but I'm betting it won't be long before Olivia Moultrie is in the news. 6th grader with a full-ride to UNC for soccer. Currently plays with a boys club and dominates. Try not to hold it against her that her parents are doTerrorists. Nice backyard, tho!

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                        Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

                        There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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                        • Uh... OK.

                          Ammon Bundy claims LDS Church infiltrated by socialists
                          https://www.hjnews.com/news/local/am...7a871d87f.html
                          "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                          "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                          "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                          • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                            I kept meaning to post this. So good! Made me miss living in Cache Valley as I tried to figure out what kind of church/not church kind of gathering this was organized to be.


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                            I told him he was a goddamn Nazi Stormtrooper.

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                            • Originally posted by Dwight Schr-ute View Post
                              I kept meaning to post this. So good! Made me miss living in Cache Valley as I tried to figure out what kind of church/not church kind of gathering this was organized to be.
                              I bet there are way more right-wing nutjobs in the church than socialists.

                              "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                              "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                              "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                              • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                                I think maybe he's talking about Uncle Ted

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