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    It doesn’t seem necessary to get too caught up in the specific discourse and use of terms/metaphors right?

    If you run Intermountain Healthcare and you are tired of people calling it IHC you say:

    “When people hear IHC they think about this big bureaucratic institution like the IRS, a large, cold, unfeeling institution. IHC is bad for our image in the community, simply bad for business. Let’s call ourselves Intermountain or Intermountain Healthcare — that makes people think about our beautiful mountains, seems like a warmer kinder institution than IHC.”

    If I were trying to rebrand us away from Mormons/Mormonism I would say “Uh you know when people hear Mormon they think about the BOM Musical, Big Love, polygamists, Sherlock Holmes, Mountain Meadows, etc.” When they hear the Church of Jesus Christ they think about Jesus and we can maybe fool some really dumb people into thinking we aren’t Mormons and over time it will be better for our brand to go away from “Mormon” and toward “Jesus.”

    But when President Nelson is rebranding the corporation he is going to quote the Book of Mormon and talk about Satan rejoicing and all that stuff. But it’s the same thing as the other examples — just a discourse and metaphor choice peculiar to the calling. No biggie.

    Of those options og I’m going with number 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    I think creek is wanting you to interpret RMN the same way my marriage counselor tells me I should interpret my wife. Basically ignore everything she says and try to imagine a positive, logical underlying message and picture her saying that instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    I think creek is wanting you to interpret RMN the same way my marriage counselor tells me I should interpret my wife. Basically ignore everything she says and try to imagine a positive, logical underlying message and picture her saying that instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swampfrog View Post
    I think Mormon vs. TCoJCoLDS will always be a significant problem. I don't believe it reduces to emphasis on the name of the church. That perspective views it only or primarily an internal problem. It's not. When those that proclaim Christianity state that Mormons are not Christians, they are right. We may have many values in common, but the fact of the matter is we disagree on how and what the atonement is, and how to activate it one's personal life. We disagree on the nature of God, and the relationship between the members of the Trinity. We cannot insist that we are the restored church of Christ, (with the accompanying restoration of "true beliefs" about the most fundamental tenets of our relationship to God), and also simultaneously insist that we be allowed under the umbrella of Christianity. It's not our umbrella--and we have rejected what lies at its core. Those whose umbrella it is will continue to label us as "other", and rightly so. We are other. Mormon is a convenient "other" label. It's not going away.

    The question is what to do about it. Some leaders have opted to embrace it, others have not. Any inspiration is going through that filter. Once I accepted church leaders as irreparably broken human revelation filters, with all of their intrinsic biases and prejudices, general conference became palatable. Does that mean I get to arbitrarily accept or reject their teachings based on my own irreparably broken human revelation filter? Yep, that's what it means. Why would I want it any other way? I want to be judged on my own moral decisions.
    So what you're saying is that much like the terms "Doctor" or "Engineer", several religious sects have highjacked a generic term and tried to define it as something that makes them special and exclusionary of others.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HBCoug View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Geez, come on. You already have a second-hand explanation for what RMN personally thinks of past practice and it is most certainly not how you are characterizing it.
    'Correcting an error.' Our second-hand info notwithstanding, I'll stand by my assertion that he believes it was in error. Maybe a 'necessary' error, but an error that offends Jesus and makes Satan happy. I will trust his words.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    OK, this argument really bugs me (you are not the only one making it). Is there some fixed number of things that the church can focus on? You could use this argument to complain about virtually anything because there is always some other more pressing issue that people will subjectively find that is more important than issue X.

    Also:

    Critics: "The church should focus more on Christ."
    Church: "We want to have a greater emphasis on using 'Jesus Christ' in the name of the church."
    Critics: "Why are you focusing on this when there are so many other important things?"


    I know it bugs you. Just so we are clear, I am not the all or nothing caricature you are describing. There will always be something that we can improve on, no matter how much energy we consecrate. I understand that, and most people here do. I doubt there's a lot of people who fall into your characterization anyways. In this case, it's the absence of the needed sermons that makes the one about name changing more glaring.

    So if you want concrete examples, here you go. Before explaining why the whole church is in error using a nickname, and spending a lot of energy and money fixing that error, I would prefer sermons loving LGBTQ members, with apologies and doctrinal corrections when necessary. There's one. And then when that is done, go on to the next doctrinal error. Repeal section 132

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    I think creek is wanting you to interpret RMN the same way my marriage counselor tells me I should interpret my wife. Basically ignore everything she says and try to imagine a positive, logical underlying message and picture her saying that instead.
    That's awesome. Maybe I'll try to implement that at home, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    It doesn’t seem necessary to get too caught up in the specific discourse and use of terms/metaphors right?

    If you run Intermountain Healthcare and you are tired of people calling it IHC you say:

    “When people hear IHC they think about this big bureaucratic institution like the IRS, a large, cold, unfeeling institution. IHC is bad for our image in the community, simply bad for business. Let’s call ourselves Intermountain or Intermountain Healthcare — that makes people think about our beautiful mountains, seems like a warmer kinder institution than IHC.”

    If I were trying to rebrand us away from Mormons/Mormonism I would say “Uh you know when people hear Mormon they think about the BOM Musical, Big Love, polygamists, Sherlock Holmes, Mountain Meadows, etc.” When they hear the Church of Jesus Christ they think about Jesus and we can maybe fool some really dumb people into thinking we aren’t Mormons and over time it will be better for our brand to go away from “Mormon” and toward “Jesus.”

    But when President Nelson is rebranding the corporation he is going to quote the Book of Mormon and talk about Satan rejoicing and all that stuff. But it’s the same thing as the other examples — just a discourse and metaphor choice peculiar to the calling. No biggie.

    Of those options og I’m going with number 3
    Although I would obviously describe it differently, and while I think there are other benefits CC is overlooking, I think this is pretty much right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    I think creek is wanting you to interpret RMN the same way my marriage counselor tells me I should interpret my wife. Basically ignore everything she says and try to imagine a positive, logical underlying message and picture her saying that instead.
    I am just trying to figure things out.
    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefytee View Post
    So what you're saying is that much like the terms "Doctor" or "Engineer", several religious sects have highjacked a generic term and tried to define it as something that makes them special and exclusionary of others.

    You can't use the phrase, "So what you're saying" without trigger warning tags. All human interaction by definition creates a special/exclusionary relationship. I can't so much as talk to another person without creating exactly that paradigm--my wife and I exclude our kids all of the time. As far as I can tell, there's no escaping that as part of the human condition. We are all included and excluded, both of which taken to the extreme become a problem (disagreement arises on where the line for "extreme" is placed). That view is either minimized or maximized by one's own biases, and by certain ideologies (especially those that see all exclusion as a power play). So yes, I'm in agreement that many groups (religious or not, Mormons included), have appropriated accepted language or societal customs, used them as a label for their own customs, rituals, and sacraments and then complained when others were not accepting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    OK, this argument really bugs me (you are not the only one making it). Is there some fixed number of things that the church can focus on? You could use this argument to complain about virtually anything because there is always some other more pressing issue that people will subjectively find that is more important than issue X.

    Also:

    Critics: "The church should focus more on Christ."
    Church: "We want to have a greater emphasis on using 'Jesus Christ' in the name of the church."
    Critics: "Why are you focusing on this when there are so many other important things?"


    serious lol; so true
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    AP not opting in quite yet. At least not in the West Region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelBlue View Post
    AP not opting in quite yet. At least not in the West Region.

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    Major victory for Satan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Geez, come on. You already have a second-hand explanation for what RMN personally thinks of past practice and it is most certainly not how you are characterizing it.



    OK, this argument really bugs me (you are not the only one making it). Is there some fixed number of things that the church can focus on? You could use this argument to complain about virtually anything because there is always some other more pressing issue that people will subjectively find that is more important than issue X.

    Also:

    Critics: "The church should focus more on Christ."
    Church: "We want to have a greater emphasis on using 'Jesus Christ' in the name of the church."
    Critics: "Why are you focusing on this when there are so many other important things?"


    To be fair, I don't think that most of the critics complaints about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are that they aren't focusing on Christ enough. SJBH.
    The crux of what has traumatized us about CUF/CG is that we thought they were our friends. And their identity as BYU fans turned out to be the most important thing to them. What empty lives! What a damning indictment of the LDS Church!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFunkhouser View Post
    To be fair, I don't think that most of the critics complaints about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are that they aren't focusing on Christ enough. SJBH.
    it is indeed a complaint heard often though. perhaps it is more from members inside the church, than outside. it is a complaint i've had in the past at least on a ward level. JL's point is certainly valid.
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    Bryce Harper's Instagram post from yesterday:

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    https://www.instagram.com/p/BopYza8n...by=bharper3407

    As I sit here in the Salt Lake City airport I’ve been pondering about the last couple days I was able to spend in Utah with all my family. Of course you all know my season came to an end this year quite early & that was very unfortunate, but with that being said I was sitting back & thinking this will be the first year me and my wife will be able to attend General Conference and hear from the amazing leaders of our Church. As we were flying in on Thursday, I was so excited & anxious to get to Utah to enjoy this great weekend with everybody. So many smiling and energetic faces ready to do the same as me. We had some free time on Friday so we were able to do a session in the beautiful Salt Lake Temple. This was my first session in this temple and what an experience we had. The spirit was on my mind so strongly & the craziness that this offseason will bring. But when I am feeling such things or in a frame of mind like that nothing feeds my soul more than learning & being more in tune with my Lord & Savior in His house upon the earth! Later in the day we had an incredible opportunity to meet with President Nelson & the “German Shepard” Elder Uchtdorf. I can’t begin to describe to any of you how much wisdom and knowledge these men have. President Nelson had me in shock. He had an overwhelming feeling around him of the spirit. He walked into the room and I immediately teared up and began to think if it was even appropriate for me to be in the same room as this man because of how incredible he is. He came over and shook my hand, my wife’s hand, and family’s hands and we talked for a couple minutes. By the end I couldn’t help but think when this man talks it is the truth. It is the word of God & everything that I want to be part of. My mind was racing & I didn’t really have much time to catch my breathe or really sit back and think about what I had just heard or what had just happened because up the elevator & down the hallway stood one of my biggest hero’s and the biggest spiritual gangster’s that I’ve seen, Elder Uchtdorf. When I walked into his office he greeted me with the biggest smile & just the most friendly vibe I’ve ever seen or felt. He was so personable ➡️
    & just as genuine as you could imagine. The soft, quiet but powerful voice he spoke with was indescribable. He talked about family, faith, being humble, & just the pure love of Christ in all that you do. As we were beginning to leave he gave me a hug and I was just in awe in the pure love he showed my family and I. It was everything I could ever imagine and more. The next day we were able to attend both sessions but I wont go to much into that besides the fact that I loved each and every person that had spoke and especially those that had said “I bear witness.” That is so powerful to me because when I doubt myself at times or when I doubt my faith at any point in my life I can look back & know that these men or woman have an understanding of the gospel and a relationship with our Lord more than anybody I’ve ever imagined and maybe one day I can get to that point. I have a testimony of my Heavenly Father and I know that my redeemer lives. I know that President Russell M. Nelson is a true disciple of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I know that the Book Of Mormon is the true word and that The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints is the true church. I believe in the Atonement & that Jesus died for me so that I can live on earth today. I believe in the Eternal families and the amazing blessings that I get from going to the Temple as often as I can and I believe that anybody that is struggling or going through pain or any tough times that if you take two minutes to say a prayer, read a scripture verse(Luke 1:37), or just turn your life to the light of the Lord then he will lift you up and brighten your life in ways you could’ve never imagined. In my life I’ve had many accolades and have won many awards which have been amazing, but nothing has gave me more happiness than marrying my wife in the temple and giving my life to my Savior Jesus Christ. I hope you have an amazing Sunday. Love to all
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFunkhouser View Post
    To be fair, I don't think that most of the critics complaints about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are that they aren't focusing on Christ enough. SJBH.
    The Church wants to have it both ways. They want to meddle in politics and lobby for unpopular causes and then complain when the moniker Mormon becomes tainted and doesn't sound Christie enough. It's nonsense to suggest that God has suddenly decided that when people don't expend a dozen syllables to reference the Church, that Satan and his minions give themselves high-fives. Hopefully the Church will settle on a brand and get out of the lobbying game and back into the religion game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Non Sequitur View Post
    The Church wants to have it both ways. They want to meddle in politics and lobby for unpopular causes and then complain when the moniker Mormon becomes tainted and doesn't sound Christie enough. It's nonsense to suggest that God has suddenly decided that when people don't expend a dozen syllables to reference the Church, that Satan and his minions give themselves high-fives. Hopefully the Church will settle on a brand and get out of the lobbying game and back into the religion game.
    Unlike most of what you post, this is ignorant. The sobriquet issue was on Nelson's mind since the 90s, as you can see from his address in April 1990. This change has nothing to do with a failure of recent lobbying efforts and everything to do with RMN's position. What evidence, apart from possible musings of ex or non-mormons, is there that this change results from a perceived taint on the name Mormon resulting from politics? The church isnt complaining that "Mormon" isn't christ-like enough, they are saying we should become more Christ-like by calling ourselves after him, as his disciples, which he told us we should do in the BoM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    Both sessions on Saturday, if you're Bryce Harper I guess you can get tickets to any event you want. That was interesting, I wondered how deep his faith was or if he was just going along with it for his wife. I'm impressed, it would be easy in that situation to live a life very much removed from the church.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RC Vikings View Post
    Both sessions on Saturday, if you're Bryce Harper I guess you can get tickets to any event you want. That was interesting, I wondered how deep his faith was or if he was just going along with it for his wife. I'm impressed, it would be easy in that situation to live a life very much removed from the church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RC Vikings View Post
    Both sessions on Saturday, if you're Bryce Harper I guess you can get tickets to any event you want. That was interesting, I wondered how deep his faith was or if he was just going along with it for his wife. I'm impressed, it would be easy in that situation to live a life very much removed from the church.
    i had the same thought. that's why i thought it was so interesting. seems pretty committed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    i had the same thought. that's why i thought it was so interesting. seems pretty committed.
    Yeah - saying he got to go to conference and even shake the prophets hand and it was cool is one thing.

    Wrapping it in a long description that talks about fanboying and crying when you met the prophet and mixing in going to the temple and a testimony doesn't seem like he's faking it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    Yeah - saying he got to go to conference and even shake the prophets hand and it was cool is one thing.

    Wrapping it in a long description that talks about fanboying and crying when you met the prophet and mixing in going to the temple and a testimony doesn't seem like he's faking it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    anybody who says they’re not faking it is a lying piece of shit
    Please don't talk about my wife like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    anybody who says they’re not faking it is a lying piece of shit
    Seems a bit harsh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    That's a clown assumption bro.

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    Please don't talk about my wife like that.

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    I haven't read this thread so maybe someone already suggested this ... but it strikes me that we still need an acceptable shorthand way to refer to the church. My suggestion is we just start calling ourselves Melchizedeks. It's short, still starts with M, and has the virtue of already being whitelisted by the Lord for these sort of naming issues.

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