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PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Posti especially liked that Gay guy's talk. probably my fave for all of conference - though slept through DFU's talk (would have fallen asleep before he spoke - assuming he did speak) this time around.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by Northwestcoug View PostThe contradiction other people besides you see is the prophet-sanctioned celebration of the term 'mormon' for a generation, and then the abrupt prophetic edict against it. Speaking only for myself, if this is strictly a rebranding effort (which according to Nelson is not), it's rather small potatoes. But Nelson emphatically believes that doctrinally the church was in error. Which is fine, he's the prophet. I would say that for myself, the edict in isolation is not a big deal.
Originally posted by Northwestcoug View PostIt's when you consider what other worthy causes the church might focus on, rather than what name both the world and members choose to use, that starts some of those existential wheels in motion.
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Critics: "The church should focus more on Christ."
Church: "We want to have a greater emphasis on using 'Jesus Christ' in the name of the church."
Critics: "Why are you focusing on this when there are so many other important things?"
"There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by creekster View PostI liked Renlund's talk. Read his definition of sin and punishment. It warms my heart.I'm like LeBron James.
-mpfunk
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Originally posted by creekster View PostBut focusing on whether or how much Christ is unhappy or Satan is pleased rather than on trying to be more christlike is not a good idea, IMO
Originally posted by creeksterMoreover, you ascribe the policy to the church, suggesting that it is not of Christ. That is simply not true. Christ told us what name to use. Now maybe the current emphasis is policy based, but CHrist;'s statement is pretty straightforward, the interpretative skills of others here notwithstanding,.Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.
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Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Posti especially liked that Gay guy's talk. probably my fave for all of conference - though slept through DFU's talk (would have fallen asleep before he spoke - assuming he did speak) this time around.Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
"The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Postwas dozing off during Renlund so only heard bits and pieces, but he is quickly becoming a must hear (need to plan my GC naps much better) among GC speakers as well.
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Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Posti especially liked that Gay guy's talk. probably my fave for all of conference - though slept through DFU's talk (would have fallen asleep before he spoke - assuming he did speak) this time around.
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Originally posted by old_gregg View Postdid you even listen to the talk?
i don’t understand what this means. the premises of this argument are very simple.
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Originally posted by jay santos View PostI think creek is wanting you to interpret RMN the same way my marriage counselor tells me I should interpret my wife. Basically ignore everything she says and try to imagine a positive, logical underlying message and picture her saying that instead."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by swampfrog View PostI think Mormon vs. TCoJCoLDS will always be a significant problem. I don't believe it reduces to emphasis on the name of the church. That perspective views it only or primarily an internal problem. It's not. When those that proclaim Christianity state that Mormons are not Christians, they are right. We may have many values in common, but the fact of the matter is we disagree on how and what the atonement is, and how to activate it one's personal life. We disagree on the nature of God, and the relationship between the members of the Trinity. We cannot insist that we are the restored church of Christ, (with the accompanying restoration of "true beliefs" about the most fundamental tenets of our relationship to God), and also simultaneously insist that we be allowed under the umbrella of Christianity. It's not our umbrella--and we have rejected what lies at its core. Those whose umbrella it is will continue to label us as "other", and rightly so. We are other. Mormon is a convenient "other" label. It's not going away.
The question is what to do about it. Some leaders have opted to embrace it, others have not. Any inspiration is going through that filter. Once I accepted church leaders as irreparably broken human revelation filters, with all of their intrinsic biases and prejudices, general conference became palatable. Does that mean I get to arbitrarily accept or reject their teachings based on my own irreparably broken human revelation filter? Yep, that's what it means. Why would I want it any other way? I want to be judged on my own moral decisions."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by creekster View PostYes, I listened. I am sorry you don't understand. I did my best.Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.
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