Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the News

[old_gregg]

TabCATS

sounds like a bowling team

[Northwestcoug]

Come on. Has anyone claimed this is a revelation?

Dr. Prophet Russell Nelson is an amazing, wonderful man but anybody who thinks the Creator of the Universe told him we shouldn’t call ourselves Mormons is completely nuts and living in an insane fantasy world.

Sorry, just trying to help.

I read some of Nelson’s GC address today. Maybe we should revisit this argument.

[Non Sequitur]

I agreed to watch an hour of conference. I don't know how you guys do it. My eyeballs are still sore from rolling. The faith of my fathers has gone from quaint to kooky.

[smokymountainrain]

eh, the claim is that it's his church, thus calling it by his name makes sense.

[Maximus]

eh, the claim is that it's his church, thus calling it by his name makes sense.

not when they spent millions over the last few years calling members mormons

[smokymountainrain]

not when they spent millions over the last few years calling members mormons

their millions - if it succeeds, good for them. if it fails, it's their problem.

[Donuthole]

their millions - if it succeeds, good for them. if it fails, it's their problem.

Uh, His millions.

[smokymountainrain]

Uh, His millions.

touche'

[jay santos]

not when they spent millions over the last few years calling members mormons

"God told me" just doesn't fly as a logical reason unless you can answer a lot of other questions along with it like: What were you doing the last 20 years on this and why? Why isn't God speaking to you about all these other questions that seem a lot more important which you have no answer for?"

The silver lining of this is that fundamentalism is the worse part of our church (and religion in general). ie "God told me". Moving away from that or at least reinterpreting what it means when a prophet says "God told me" would be a really important step for the church. RMN is turning the phrase "God told me" into something like "I sorta feel like this is the right thing to do." And that's not a bad move for the church. So, maybe this is unintentionally a good thing.

[LVAllen]

4 For thus shall my church be called in the last days, even The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

There are so many questions that come up when the Lord speaks in passive voice. Here, we have a statement that says His church shall by called a specific name, but doesn't identify the subject - who is doing the calling. Even more problematic, the verse includes an ambiguous "shall." "Shall" can be used to mean "must" in a mandatory sense," but it's also commonly used in a declarative sense.

So, what is the Lord saying here? Is he simply saying "The name of the church is ___" or is it a commandment to all to require them to call the church by that name? Do we sin if we call ourselves Mormon? Do past prophets need to repent for using "Mormon" as a reference to the church or the people? Is the rest of the world condemned to a lower degree of glory if they call it "the Mormon Church"? Is our adherence to the Style Guide the final test of whether we'll inherit the highest echelon of Celestial Glory?

I just don't see anything in the scriptures that indicates that Christ is offended by any of it. It was eight years after the establishment of the church that Joseph received the revelation setting forth the formal name. Seems that if it was that important, it would have been put in D&C 20, instead of simply referring to it as "the Church of Christ."

[Jeff Lebowski]

"God told me" just doesn't fly as a logical reason unless you can answer a lot of other questions along with it like: What were you doing the last 20 years on this and why? Why isn't God speaking to you about all these other questions that seem a lot more important which you have no answer for?"

The silver lining of this is that fundamentalism is the worse part of our church (and religion in general). ie "God told me". Moving away from that or at least reinterpreting what it means when a prophet says "God told me" would be a really important step for the church. RMN is turning the phrase "God told me" into something like "I sorta feel like this is the right thing to do." And that's not a bad move for the church. So, maybe this is unintentionally a good thing.

This is an odd fixation you have.

[old_gregg]

i agree with santos. sorry, santos.

[Jeff Lebowski]

"God told me" just doesn't fly as a logical reason unless you can answer a lot of other questions along with it like: What were you doing the last 20 years on this and why? Why isn't God speaking to you about all these other questions that seem a lot more important which you have no answer for?"

Maybe his impressions are wrong. Maybe he is adding a spin ("satan is pleased when...") that goes beyond the mark of what God intended. Maybe God can do whatever the hell he wants and it doesn't have to make sense to you and me.

[Moliere]

"God told me" just doesn't fly as a logical reason unless you can answer a lot of other questions along with it like: What were you doing the last 20 years on this and why? Why isn't God speaking to you about all these other questions that seem a lot more important which you have no answer for?"

The silver lining of this is that fundamentalism is the worse part of our church (and religion in general). ie "God told me". Moving away from that or at least reinterpreting what it means when a prophet says "God told me" would be a really important step for the church. RMN is turning the phrase "God told me" into something like "I sorta feel like this is the right thing to do." And that's not a bad move for the church. So, maybe this is unintentionally a good thing.

Maybe in 20 years we’ll be back to using the term Mormon, maybe not. I don’t care and I doubt god cares. But RMN cares and living prophets are more important than dead prophets so

RMN also gave us two hour church, so he can do whatever he wants, IMO.

[smokymountainrain]

RMN also gave us two hour church, so he can do whatever he wants, IMO.