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  • Originally posted by SloanHater View Post
    I agree that our churches could be greatly improved with local members sharing their talents to beautify and personalize local buildings.

    However, I've been in wards where the long-timers didn't mesh well with the short-timers. I would imagine that this feeling would be magnified by allowing the members a role in the actually design and building of churches.

    Could you imagine the ire that would be raised if a person new to the ward criticized some aspect of the building ?
    I'm also not totally positive that the locals would always do a better job than the centralized planning model that the church currently employs. For example, I'm not a fan of the "accent" wall craze where people are painting one wall in their place some bold color. You could just imagine some hokey ward somewhere ran by a bunch of HGTV-philes would decide that the chapel needed a bright green accent wall.
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    • Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
      Robin -

      You may appreciate this more than most here. This funky looking building is the church building for the branch in Siracusa, Italy. It was designed by an architect who is a member of the church there:

      I like it.

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      • Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
        I like it.
        It looks like a shoe horn stuck to a submarine. But then I'm not an artist.
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        • Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
          I like it.
          I was fortunate enough to be in Siracusa when it was completed and church started to hold the block meetings there. It was a far cry from the 4th floor of the apartment building the church had leased for years. It was a novelty to members in Southern Italy, as it was the first stand alone building specifically for LDS meetings.
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          • Originally posted by Non Sequitur View Post
            It looks like a shoe horn stuck to a submarine. But then I'm not an artist.
            Sure, but why not? What is a building supposed to look like?

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            • Originally posted by Non Sequitur View Post
              It looks like a shoe horn stuck to a submarine. But then I'm not an artist.
              It was unique. Everyone that lived in and around Siracusa knew it was the Mormon church building and sparked quite a bit of interest. We missionaries would teach discussions there because investigators wanted to see what it was like inside.
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              • Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                The mess that it is reflects the inherent problem that LDS church designer face. What style do they use? Every style exists for some reason, and most of the religious styles carry symbolic baggage that contradicts LDS beliefs and values (claiming to be 'the one true church' carries with it some serious aesthetic significance.)
                What pretentious BS. Designers adapt styles all the time. In fact, adapting a style as opposed to simply parroting one can give a building additional artistic value.

                Next.
                We all trust our own unorthodoxies.

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                • Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                  I was fortunate enough to be in Siracusa when it was completed and church started to hold the block meetings there. It was a far cry from the 4th floor of the apartment building the church had leased for years. It was a novelty to members in Southern Italy, as it was the first stand alone building specifically for LDS meetings.
                  Out of curiosity, how many mob bosses would you guess are buried in the foundation of that building?
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                  • Originally posted by Non Sequitur View Post
                    Out of curiosity, how many mob bosses would you guess are buried in the foundation of that building?
                    No comment.
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                    • Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                      I'm also not totally positive that the locals would always do a better job than the centralized planning model that the church currently employs. For example, I'm not a fan of the "accent" wall craze where people are painting one wall in their place some bold color. You could just imagine some hokey ward somewhere ran by a bunch of HGTV-philes would decide that the chapel needed a bright green accent wall.
                      Why does everyone assume that if we return power to the local units' then the relief society or some wannabe designeer is going to get their hands on the plans and screw everything up or make it quirky? They didn't do that in the past, why would they do it now? The work would still be done by competent designers, architects and contractors. If they happened to be members of the ward or stake then that's great.
                      Dio perdona tante cose per un’opera di misericordia
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                      • Originally posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
                        What pretentious BS. Designers adapt styles all the time. In fact, adapting a style as opposed to simply parroting one can give a building additional artistic value.

                        Next.
                        But what does it mean to 'adapt' a style that existed specifically as an organic outgrowth of a specific culture, place, time, and environment? I don't know how one goes about transplanting a Tudor style house to Cedar City without answering this basic question -- why?

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                        • Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                          Robin -

                          You may appreciate this more than most here. This funky looking building is the church building for the branch in Siracusa, Italy. It was designed by an architect who is a member of the church there:

                          Very cool, that's the type of design I'd like to see happening in the church. A church doesn't have to look like a cathedral or a protestant meeting house to be a church.
                          Dio perdona tante cose per un’opera di misericordia
                          God forgives many things for an act of mercy
                          Alessandro Manzoni

                          Knock it off. This board has enough problems without a dose of middle-age lechery.

                          pelagius

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                          • Originally posted by pellegrino View Post
                            Why does everyone assume that if we return power to the local units' then the relief society or some wannabe designeer is going to get their hands on the plans and screw everything up or make it quirky? They didn't do that in the past, why would they do it now? The work would still be done by competent designers, architects and contractors. If they happened to be members of the ward or stake then that's great.
                            The bright orange countertops in the Acworth, Georgia ward building would seem to contradict this theory, but it was built by the Church, not local folks.....I guess they didn't take their own counsel to avoid extremes or fads.
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                            • Originally posted by pellegrino View Post
                              Why does everyone assume that if we return power to the local units' then the relief society or some wannabe designeer is going to get their hands on the plans and screw everything up or make it quirky?
                              Experience.

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                              • Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                                But what does it mean to 'adapt' a style that existed specifically as an organic outgrowth of a specific culture, place, time, and environment? I don't know how one goes about transplanting a Tudor style house to Cedar City without answering this basic question -- why?
                                More BS. Your "authenticity hunt" that priveliges a specific culture, place, time, and environment has been deconstructed. Have you heard of postmodernism? One of the first places it was articulated was... in architecture. Surely a man of your erudition has read Jameson's famous essay.

                                Why aren't you complaining about the architectural bankruptcy of Las Vegas? Shall we start listing all of the awards architects have gotten for their work on the casinos? It's all adaptation and no one is finding fault.

                                To read your writing, it's like Mormons can't have architecture at all.
                                Last edited by Sleeping in EQ; 07-14-2009, 02:02 PM.
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