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    Quote Originally Posted by LVAllen View Post
    What are you talking about? That is great to double up like that. Less meeting time.
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    So that's what you call me. You know, that or, uh, His Dudeness, or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    What are you talking about? That is great to double up like that. Less meeting time.
    No. We must complain about everything the church does.

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    Prep for my Valiant B class today:
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    if you cannot read it, it says "And now I Mormon make a record of the things which I have both seen and heard and call it the..."

    the kids will finish up "Book of Mormon" as we ponder the many talents of Mormon.
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    Very cool, Katy
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    The Gospel Principles lesson today was on the gathering of Israel. I spent all but the last ten minutes retelling the Old Testament story line from Abraham to the scattering of Israel by the Assyrians and Babylonians.

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    I've been covering my wife's class so long that today they made me go to teacher training.


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    We've had 2 teacher training counsels so far and they are boring, but fine.

    They actually called a bunch of people to be subs for that sunday only for primary. Like actual callings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveCoug View Post
    We've had 2 teacher training counsels so far and they are boring, but fine.

    They actually called a bunch of people to be subs for that sunday only for primary. Like actual callings.
    But then the substitutes are considered teachers and have to go to the training council, so they have to call other substitutes, who are then teachers and have to go to training so more substitutes are called. Pretty soon you will have the whole ward at the training council except the kids who will then be their own teachers and then they will have to go to the council creating just another 2 hours of sacrament meeting. I am glad I am calling exempt in my ward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveCoug View Post
    We've had 2 teacher training counsels so far and they are boring, but fine.

    They actually called a bunch of people to be subs for that sunday only for primary. Like actual callings.
    Those teacher trainings are b-r-u-t-a-l. The first time was okay, because they called me out of my actual class to go. The next time, they discovered that they could just make me go third hour, while the third hour teachers would go second hour. So now I don't even get a once-a-month vacation. That's when I decided I didn't need to go.
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    I don't get it. For years we have griped that the teachers are poorly trained and too prone to go by the manual. Now that the church is revamping the entire system to introduce a more open teaching structure and to train teachers to improve the quality of the teaching, we complain about the hassle of the training program. Oy vey.
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    So that's what you call me. You know, that or, uh, His Dudeness, or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I don't get it. For years we have griped that the teachers are poorly trained and too prone to go by the manual. Now that the church is revamping the entire system to introduce a more open teaching structure and to train teachers to improve the quality of the teaching, we complain about the hassle of the training program. Oy vey.
    I am a fan of the new lesson materials. Those make it a lot easier to find something interesting and mold it to your particular class. But the teacher training isn't very helpful, in my opinion. Just another meeting lead by someone who isn't any more prepared than I am to train teachers.

    I'm not sure you've been to teacher training, so in case you haven't, I'll liken it to another meeting I'm sure you're familiar with: Bishopric Training.
    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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    Sunday School...

    A place where people go to teach and learn things that are not based on evidence, and where lessons attempt to undermine critical thought at every turn.

    An attempt to improve on this is sort of like polishing a turd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByronMarchant View Post
    Sunday School...

    A place where people go to teach and learn things that are not based on evidence, and where lessons attempt to undermine critical thought at every turn.

    An attempt to improve on this is sort of like polishing a turd.
    http://www.howtocleanstuff.net/how-to-polish-a-turd/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByronMarchant View Post
    Sunday School...

    A place where people go to teach and learn things that are not based on evidence, and where lessons attempt to undermine critical thought at every turn.

    An attempt to improve on this is sort of like polishing a turd.
    Lol. Good post.
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    BM reminds me of my college roommate, an excitable Italian woman who was an atheist and convinced that the Roman Catholic Church was the root of all evil. Imagine living in Utah, and not fitting in among Utah Mormons, who have had all the power in her neck of the woods for 2000 years. She talked about when she had kids, they were going to have nothing to do with the catholic church, and wouldn't have to go through all of the rituals and rites she was forced to undergo. I told her that a lot of that stuff was culture, and history, and her kids were never going to experience some very rich cultural events, and they were always going to have a hole in their education where they would have no idea what everyone else was taking for granted. See, she wanted them to make the same rejection of the dominant faith that she did, but they can't really do that without experiencing the dominant faith the way she did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    I am a fan of the new lesson materials. Those make it a lot easier to find something interesting and mold it to your particular class. But the teacher training isn't very helpful, in my opinion. Just another meeting lead by someone who isn't any more prepared than I am to train teachers.

    I'm not sure you've been to teacher training, so in case you haven't, I'll liken it to another meeting I'm sure you're familiar with: Bishopric Training.
    Yeah, so far our 2 teacher training sessions have been a 10 or so teachers sitting around the big table in the conference room and the same 4 primary teacher women bearing testimony and crying about how wonderful it is to work with 5 year olds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveCoug View Post
    Yeah, so far our 2 teacher training sessions have been a 10 or so teachers sitting around the big table in the conference room and the same 4 primary teacher women bearing testimony and crying about how wonderful it is to work with 5 year olds.
    Training just doesn't exist in the church at any good level. Every training I attend is just a conference where speakers are asked to speak on a topic. This new council is a great idea, if it's led by a good trainer. Sadly, our SS presidency is really old guard and the councils have pretty much been lectures similar to what we experienced under the Teaching No Greater Call inservices. It'll take a while, but I think the struggle to transition to more of a council setting will eventually pay off.


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    I think I was supposed to go to the training during third hour yesterday. Forgot about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Training just doesn't exist in the church at any good level. Every training I attend is just a conference where speakers are asked to speak on a topic. This new council is a great idea, if it's led by a good trainer. Sadly, our SS presidency is really old guard and the councils have pretty much been lectures similar to what we experienced under the Teaching No Greater Call inservices. It'll take a while, but I think the struggle to transition to more of a council setting will eventually pay off.


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    I have gone with my wife twice over the past couple of months. I don't know how often they have it in my home ward and I am not there every week but it hasn't been that bad. I find most of it pretty intuitive and likely the reality is some people just have the natural skills to be interesting and good teachers and others do not, but I have found some of the comparisons to other teaching atmospheres, mostly academic as my little community has its own self-contained school district so about 20% of the community are schoolteachers, to be mildly interesting. It seems like there are about 25 folks at ours. One thing that is limiting is the Church is not real big into criticisms of each other so it is difficult to get people to fundamentally improve their teaching skills. Inevitably, any type of teacher training will usually just lead back to discussions on Christlike love and charity for those you teach. Clearly, these are important concepts and I agree that they are the foundational base of any gospel teaching but having good teaching skills are and forever will be helpful. We just are not about to say "Sister Johansson you really suck at that delivery. Why not look up and make eye contact and perhaps the sign that Eliza Renlund in fast asleep is a hint you have lost her......why not write out the scriptures you want read before class and hand them out so we don't waste 30 seconds waiting for someone to find John 3:16 on their Iphone and then feel guilty enough to raise their hand while avoiding making eye contact with you..." It just isn't how we roll.

    I did have a decent conversation with my wife about the curriculum in the YM/YW going to a more open "Teaching of Our Times" style and I think that is good. I was never a fan of a real organized curriculum because I felt folks could fall back on it instead of getting genuinely prepared, but I am a pretty comfortable in front of people so I don't know how more introverted folks felt about a more organized curriculum on their behalf. In my experience if you are prepared and understand what you are teaching it is easier to go with the flow, personalize the message and just be more focussed on others instead of yourself and the material. But once again that might just be more a function of ability and comfort level with being in front of people.

    The primary curriculum is still more detailed so hopefully there will be changes there to a more thematic approach that encourages/forces teachers to develop their own outline. I am sure many still just take the theme and develop their own approach but if they could pare down what they provide I think many more would have no choice but to that route.

    I was driving back from a Sun Valley EMT conference on Saturday with my wife and younger 3 kids and my wife put on that general teacher training broadcast. I really liked Elder Holland's quote from his mission president, I think it was Marion D. Hanks, about "we often underestimate others' ability and overestimate their experience." I thought that was a really good leadership concept no matter the age of the folks in question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post

    I was driving back from a Sun Valley EMT conference on Saturday with my wife and younger 3 kids and my wife put on that general teacher training broadcast. I really liked Elder Holland's quote from his mission president, I think it was Marion D. Hanks, about "we often underestimate others' ability and overestimate their experience." I thought that was a really good leadership concept no matter the age of the folks in question.
    Are you sure that is the correct quote. It should be we often overestimate other's ability and underestimate their experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byu71 View Post
    Are you sure that is the correct quote. It should be we often overestimate other's ability and underestimate their experience.
    You should take that up with Marion Hanks or Jeffrey Holland!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ByronMarchant View Post
    Sunday School...

    A place where people go to teach and learn things that are not based on evidence, and where lessons attempt to undermine critical thought at every turn.

    An attempt to improve on this is sort of like polishing a turd.
    It is a place where the cultural expectations of the clan are set forth, learned and reinforced. Where else is one to learn the specific language of the rights and rituals? It is not an effort to be data-driven or fact-based, but rather a process of cultural indoctrination. If you enjoy that process, then you will enjoy Sunday School. If you find it akin to scratching a chalkboard, then you will not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    I think I was supposed to go to the training during third hour yesterday. Forgot about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    In my ward, they come and find you.
    The foyer is an easy place to start.
    "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    It is a place where the cultural expectations of the clan are set forth, learned and reinforced. Where else is one to learn the specific language of the rights and rituals? It is not an effort to be data-driven or fact-based, but rather a process of cultural indoctrination. If you enjoy that process, then you will enjoy Sunday School. If you find it akin to scratching a chalkboard, then you will not.
    I agree with what you said. Especially the Klan part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    In my ward, they come and find you.
    They may do that in our ward, too. Maybe they didn't really want me in the training.

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