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"If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post114 or 116... whatever it takes. Yes, I meant 116. It seems I read somewhere that the original 116 was translated by the U&T. Niku, have you read this in your studies?“Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory.”
"All things are measured against Nebraska." falafel
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Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post114 or 116... whatever it takes. Yes, I meant 116. It seems I read somewhere that the original 116 was translated by the U&T. Niku, have you read this in your studies?
Anyway, the U&T were confiscated from Joseph by Moroni, but later returned to him on September 22 during the annual interview (I didn't know they still had these until I read that). Then Joseph is too busy preparing for the winter to do much, Emma is probably not in the greatest mood, and life just goes on until Samuel and Oliver show up on April 5 of 1829. The accounts do vary a bit - Emma and David W both talk about the stone in hat method, but Oliver mentions the U&T. Oliver was the primary - but not only - scribe; Emma helped at least with the 116 and maybe more, and both David and John Whitmer spelled Oliver from time to time.
But the process is very different than the 116; then there was a tablecloth dividing the room with Harris on one side and Joseph on the other, presumably (although we don't know) looking at the plates through the U&T.
Emma, however, says there was nothing between them and the plates were wrapped in cloth (this is why I presume she was involved in the second round as well). David Whitmer seems to indicate the same. Whatever the case, there was no dividing cloth and no actual looking at the plates (wrapped on the table). This make sense if you consider that Oliver is trying to translate something he's never seen - else why would he need to do the whole three witness thing later? As much as any of this makes sense, I mean.
I wonder if the shift to the seerstone from the U&T was a reaction to having the U&T taken away. Maybe Joseph, in his heart of hearts, wants to do it his way? Maybe he's still ascribing magic to the item and not the Person and is preparing against the eventuality that they are taken from him again? I don't know, and other stories - like the one where he couldn't translate after a spat with Emma - seem to counter that.Awesomeness now has a name. Let me introduce myself.
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Originally posted by nikuman View PostEmma is probably not in the greatest mood,
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Originally posted by Katy Lied View PostI read a blurb somewhere from one of the midwives that Emma's baby was born horribly deformed and stillborn. It was her first and she nearly died. She experienced trials that we never think about. I wonder if she thought the baby's death was some sort of sign or trial.Awesomeness now has a name. Let me introduce myself.
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Originally posted by nikuman View PostI read that in Emma's bio too. Emma is one of my heroes of the early church - she went through a lot.
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I am just wondering if this review is accurate:
I voted with my feet
I bought and read this book many years ago. I got about half way through this book, when I felt a dark feeling. I didn't like that feeling and quit reading it. I threw it in a dumpster. I didn't want anyone else to read it. I have read many other works of Mormon history and not had that feeling. I do not recommend the book."If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by Uncle Ted View PostSo have you read?...
Mormon Enigma: Emma Hale Smith: Linda King Newell, Valeen Tippetts Avery: 9780252062919: Amazon.com: [email]Books
I am just wondering if this review is accurate:
I am guessing it must be a pretty good book given the other reviews, however.Awesomeness now has a name. Let me introduce myself.
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Originally posted by creekster View PostI am sad to see this thread has not been updated. Pheidippides? KL? Any ther lesson outlines or discussions?
Edit: I also haven't taught since the last update because of stake conference and a lesson taught by my team teacher.Awesomeness now has a name. Let me introduce myself.
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Originally posted by Pheidippides View PostHaven't had the time to update. I have one I'll try to type up later - today we're spending a lot of time on the new scriptures and then talking about how faith is not mutually exclusive of doubt, but rather they are companions. We're teaching from Alma 32 instead of the D&C - sort of a curveball in the manual.
Edit: I also haven't taught since the last update because of stake conference and a lesson taught by my team teacher.Not that, sickos.
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