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Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View PostWho said anything about not sustaining the law?? IYou started this thread about fake family in order to get peopple to come over to your political persuasion.
Sent from my SGH-T839 using Tapatalk 2Last edited by The Fourth Nephite; 01-22-2013, 12:26 PM."I'm going to go back to CUF now, where the censorship is less, the average IQ is higher, and we don't have to deal with so much of this nonsense. Goodbye." - SoonerCoug
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Originally posted by venkman View PostActually, we haven't. Not even close."I'm going to go back to CUF now, where the censorship is less, the average IQ is higher, and we don't have to deal with so much of this nonsense. Goodbye." - SoonerCoug
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Originally posted by The Fourth Nephite View PostSo nobody has died or suffered from lack of medical care in this country?
http://mappinghistory.uoregon.edu/en...S/US39-01.html
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Yay! We're #40. USA!!! USA!!! USA!!!!
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy"]List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
Look out Chile, Cuba, and Slovenia. We're coming for you."I'm going to go back to CUF now, where the censorship is less, the average IQ is higher, and we don't have to deal with so much of this nonsense. Goodbye." - SoonerCoug
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Originally posted by The Fourth Nephite View PostYay! We're #40. USA!!! USA!!! USA!!!!
List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Look out Chile, Cuba, and Slovenia. We're coming for you.
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Originally posted by Indy Coug View PostYeah, if we could weed out things like homicides, suicides and other deaths not due to natural causes we could vault into the top 20. Regardless, the US health care system has not "largely failed". But by all means, keep pouring on the hyperbole.
http://images.businessweek.com/bloom..._COUNTRIES.pdf
We are the 33rd healthiest country. The report includes it's methodology. You can see that they looked at a variety of health factors.
The US spends the most per capita on health care (double most other first world countries) and also has the largest percentage (by far) of GDP spent on healthcare care. For this, I expect more than #40 in life expectancy and #33 in health.
How can you call this anything but a dismal failure? Geez, Cuba is ahead of us. Cuba?? That's embarrasing.
If I was a Manager in some competitive field and I had the largest budget by far but was only coming in at #33 and #40, I would be fired in a heartbeat and replaced by somebody more competent. The United States shouldn't be #33 or #40 at anything (not even soccer). We can put a man on the moon, but we're not healthier than Costa Rica. That is an absolute failure."I'm going to go back to CUF now, where the censorship is less, the average IQ is higher, and we don't have to deal with so much of this nonsense. Goodbye." - SoonerCoug
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Originally posted by The Fourth Nephite View PostAccording to this Bloomberg Report:
http://images.businessweek.com/bloom..._COUNTRIES.pdf
We are the 33rd healthiest country. The report includes it's methodology. You can see that they looked at a variety of health factors.
The US spends the most per capita on health care (double most other first world countries) and also has the largest percentage (by far) of GDP spent on healthcare care. For this, I expect more than #40 in life expectancy and #33 in health.
How can you call this anything but a dismal failure? Geez, Cuba is ahead of us. Cuba?? That's embarrasing.
If I was a Manager in some competitive field and I had the largest budget by far but was only coming in at #33 and #40, I would be fired in a heartbeat and replaced by somebody more competent. The United States shouldn't be #33 or #40 at anything (not even soccer). We can put a man on the moon, but we're not healthier than Costa Rica. That is an absolute failure.
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Originally posted by The Fourth Nephite View PostAccording to this Bloomberg Report:
http://images.businessweek.com/bloom..._COUNTRIES.pdf
We are the 33rd healthiest country. The report includes it's methodology. You can see that they looked at a variety of health factors.
The US spends the most per capita on health care (double most other first world countries) and also has the largest percentage (by far) of GDP spent on healthcare care. For this, I expect more than #40 in life expectancy and #33 in health.
How can you call this anything but a dismal failure? Geez, Cuba is ahead of us. Cuba?? That's embarrasing.
If I was a Manager in some competitive field and I had the largest budget by far but was only coming in at #33 and #40, I would be fired in a heartbeat and replaced by somebody more competent. The United States shouldn't be #33 or #40 at anything (not even soccer). We can put a man on the moon, but we're not healthier than Costa Rica. That is an absolute failure.
I'd say Americans are generally as healthy as they choose to be. I agree we can get healthcare as a % of GDP down, mostly through market reforms as anti-market regulations are what is pushing costs higher.
I'm still not sure what you mean by absolute failure. If it's some healthcare costs per person ratio then I agree it's bad. If it's access to quality healthcare, even for the poor and uninsured, I think we're pretty good."Remember to double tap"
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Originally posted by Indy Coug View PostDid you not read the methodology in the link you used? There's a whole bunch of things included there that don't have anything to do with the availability and affordability of health care. Remove the noise from your data and then get back to me. Thanks in advance.
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Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostEven before reading the methodology, I assumed the US's status as a mere honorable mention in the Top 25 wasn't due to health care deficiencies, but rather to lifestyle issues, which the methodology certainly confirms. I'd like to see the world rankings with respect to the consumption of saturated fats, processed grains, corn syrup and sugars. I suspect we kick the world's ass, which on average is much smaller than our own.
If, however, if it should merely be able to extend and improve the quality of living for otherwise healthy, temperate individuals......
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Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostEven before reading the methodology, I assumed the US's status as a mere honorable mention in the Top 25 wasn't due to health care deficiencies, but rather to lifestyle issues, which the methodology certainly confirms. I'd like to see the world rankings with respect to the consumption of saturated fats, processed grains, corn syrup and sugars. I suspect we kick the world's ass, which on average is much smaller than our own.
The US has failed terribly at promoting healthy diets. Thank you politicians and ranchers.
http://www.pcrm.org/good-medicine/20...-the-farm-bill"I'm going to go back to CUF now, where the censorship is less, the average IQ is higher, and we don't have to deal with so much of this nonsense. Goodbye." - SoonerCoug
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Originally posted by The Fourth Nephite View PostGreat point...which leads me to my next thought:
The US has failed terribly at promoting healthy diets. Thank you politicians and ranchers.
http://www.pcrm.org/good-medicine/20...-the-farm-bill
On the other hand once health care becomes a right and thus the public has a financial interest in what you eat, and how frequently you exercise, then we can regulate the hell out of that too!Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
-General George S. Patton
I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
-DOCTOR Wuap
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Originally posted by Indy Coug View PostIf the health care system is supposed to save us from ourselves no matter how much we abuse and kill ourselves, then I guess it might be the abject failure the Nth Nephite claims it is.
If, however, if it should merely be able to extend and improve the quality of living for otherwise healthy, temperate individuals......"I'm going to go back to CUF now, where the censorship is less, the average IQ is higher, and we don't have to deal with so much of this nonsense. Goodbye." - SoonerCoug
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