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    Thanks for the memories.
    So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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    If you had a chance to listen to the press conference you got to hear a humble guy deflect each and every question or comment directed as his outstanding play. What a game. What a stud. You will be missed, KVN.

    (Bronco also joked that at least for once Kyle caught a ball that hit him in the hands. Nice to hear Bronco loosen up a bit for a change).
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    Easily my favorite player over the last 5 years or so.

    Good luck KVN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueintheface View Post
    If you had a chance to listen to the press conference you got to hear a humble guy deflect each and every question or comment directed as his outstanding play. What a game. What a stud. You will be missed, KVN.

    (Bronco also joked that at least for once Kyle caught a ball that hit him in the hands. Nice to hear Bronco loosen up a bit for a change).
    Yeah, I don't think I had ever heard him speak before. My expectations were based off his tweets/fb posts and so were, well, not too high. But he came across as articulate, humble, and very likable. I wish my kid had been awake to see him--he's his favorite player. Mine too, really.

    The other part of the story that I really love about him (and I shared with my wife, who was similarly impressed) is what happened when he got into trouble. He must have had plenty of offers to ditch BYU. With the Dallas Cowboys tragedy in the news, it makes me all the more proud of both him and the program.
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    Did he announce he is going to the NFL?

    I expect him to do so, but still hold out a glimmer of hope that he won't.

    But I'm afraid this game was God's way of telling him to go. He was telling Kyle "you can't top this, so it's time to go"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthShoreCoug View Post
    Did he announce he is going to the NFL?

    I expect him to do so, but still hold out a glimmer of hope that he won't.

    But I'm afraid this game was God's way of telling him to go. He was telling Kyle "you can't top this, so it's time to go"...
    KVN didn't sound all that positive about going pro, and Bronco made a detailed plea for him to stay, saying he wasn't quite mature enough yet and there were a lot of things left for him to learn that he could best achieve at BYU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthShoreCoug View Post
    Did he announce he is going to the NFL?

    I expect him to do so, but still hold out a glimmer of hope that he won't.

    But I'm afraid this game was God's way of telling him to go. He was telling Kyle "you can't top this, so it's time to go"...
    IMO, KVN should go, next year's defense will not likely top this year's D. There's not a whole lot of upside for staying and a whole lot of downside.
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    He was awesome last night, and has been for his whole career. He will be missed.

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    God bless him, he was one of the greats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dixdog View Post
    KVN didn't sound all that positive about going pro, and Bronco made a detailed plea for him to stay, saying he wasn't quite mature enough yet and there were a lot of things left for him to learn that he could best achieve at BYU.
    Of course Bronco would say that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DakotaCoug View Post
    Of course Bronco would say that.
    A coach wouldn't be doing his job unless he tried to get his best players to play for him as long as possible.

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    I don't care what's in KVN's best interest, I want him at BYU as long as possible because it makes them a better team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy Coug View Post
    I don't care what's in KVN's best interest, I want him at BYU as long as possible because it makes them a better team.
    I care a lot more about KVN's interest than I do about what will already be a crappy team next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Mexican Disaster View Post
    I care a lot more about KVN's interest than I do about what will already be a crappy team next year.
    All the more reason to have him on the team to reduce the level of suckitude.
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    Word is Kyle Van Noy/LB/BYU got 3rd round grade; consensus from league insiders is he should enter draft for a # of reasons- could go 1st
    Further; scouts say based off the Poinsettia Bowl both Kyle Van Noy and Ziggy Ansah are 1st rounders...Brandon Brown/T a 3rd...
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    Growing up loving college football I always thought I would stay four years if I was lucky enough to play college ball. Because what's greater than CFB, right?

    But if I had a son in KVN's position, I'd tell him to go get paid. Financial security is great thing and his stock may never be higher. As a fan I'd be ecstatic if he came back but I expect him to leave. Either way, thanks for the great memories, Kyle.

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    Several sources on Twitter saying KVN has decided to return to BYU for Senior season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelBlue View Post
    Several sources on Twitter saying KVN has decided to return to BYU for Senior season.
    He should definitely go pro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelBlue View Post
    Several sources on Twitter saying KVN has decided to return to BYU for Senior season.
    Yes, including Alex Kuresa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lambdacoug View Post
    He should definitely go pro.

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    I guess "should" depends on what motivates him. I'd certainly tell him to go pro if he was my little brother - but maybe dude thinks he's answering a higher call (like the fact that he views Bronco as a kind of father figure).
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelBlue View Post
    Several sources on Twitter saying KVN has decided to return to BYU for Senior season.
    Very little upside for a lot of risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxcoug View Post
    I guess "should" depends on what motivates him. I'd certainly tell him to go pro if he was my little brother - but maybe dude thinks he's answering a higher call (like the fact that he views Bronco as a kind of father figure).
    I think he knows BYU could have been much better this past year and he feels he has some unfinished buisness. Or it might be as simple as the kid really likes playing college ball and going to BYU.

    Either way, it is the best recruit Bronco could have landed. The loss of Davion Orphey is unfortunate but this defense has the makings of another great one in Provo. Move Spencer Hadley back to the middle and give me an OLB tandem of Alani Fua and Kyle Van Noy. Uani Unga and Hadley in the middle. DL of Manu, Dulan and Bronson Kaufusi. Two great safeties in Craig Bills and Sorenson and one solid CB in Jordan Johnson and who knows else out there. Concerned about base corner and whoever ends up in the middle of the DL, but in my experience it is rare when BYU has real crappy interior DL play - at a minimum Manu will be serviceable. The only time I saw it seemed to be 2001 and 2008. We aren't due for crappy intereior DL play until 2015.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxcoug View Post
    I guess "should" depends on what motivates him. I'd certainly tell him to go pro if he was my little brother - but maybe dude thinks he's answering a higher call (like the fact that he views Bronco as a kind of father figure).
    Sure, but if goes now, he'd likely get a nice fat paycheck. Coming back to finish his degree and be taught the defensive coaching ropes by BM is probably going to always be an option for KVN. IMO the risk of him staying outweighs the benefits of him leaving. I'd love to see him stay, but it would royally suck if he got hurt. I guess that'd just accelerate his move to coaching. Maybe that wouldn't be so terrible.

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    Great news for the team, but doesn't feel like the right move.
    So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkGrace View Post
    Great news for the team, but doesn't feel like the right move.
    It's the right move and it's a win-win for him and BYU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy Coug View Post
    It's the right move and it's a win-win for him and BYU.
    I'm not taking a shot at you but why is it definitively 'the right move'? If true, I'm elated as a fan, but while he has areas in which he needs to improve, I'm not sure he makes those in the college ranks. Seems like the wrong move given his grade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    I think he knows BYU could have been much better this past year and he feels he has some unfinished buisness. Or it might be as simple as the kid really likes playing college ball and going to BYU.

    Either way, it is the best recruit Bronco could have landed. The loss of Davion Orphey is unfortunate but this defense has the makings of another great one in Provo. Move Spencer Hadley back to the middle and give me an OLB tandem of Alani Fua and Kyle Van Noy. Uani Unga and Hadley in the middle. DL of Manu, Dulan and Bronson Kaufusi. Two great safeties in Craig Bills and Sorenson and one solid CB in Jordan Johnson and who knows else out there. Concerned about base corner and whoever ends up in the middle of the DL, but in my experience it is rare when BYU has real crappy interior DL play - at a minimum Manu will be serviceable. The only time I saw it seemed to be 2001 and 2008. We aren't due for crappy intereior DL play until 2015.
    Trammell on paper is going to be the best cb option. I don't think Dulan is coming back though. And Brown is headed on a mission before he plays so maybe Crichton or Marques Johnson in the middle of the dl?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueintheface View Post
    I'm not taking a shot at you but why is it definitively 'the right move'? If true, I'm elated as a fan, but while he has areas in which he needs to improve, I'm not sure he makes those in the college ranks. Seems like the wrong move given his grade.
    He's twenty to thirty pounds light for his position. An extra year of bulking up will enhance his prospects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaka View Post
    He's twenty to thirty pounds light for his position. An extra year of bulking up will enhance his prospects.
    It's the right move for BYU but I am skeptical that KVN is doing this to improve his draft position. He'd go in the mid-second to mid-third round as it is right now which means he'd get something in the neighborhood of a $1M signing bonus and a $700K-ish salary as a rookie. At that rate even playing 1-2 years in the NFL can put someone who plans on very strong financial footing for a long time to come.

    Even if he puts on weight and improves his run-stopping bonafides, he's going to be w/o Ziggy and Fuga next year which means he'll be getting a lot more attention in blocking schemes than he wants - and I would guess that his sack production isn't going to be where it was this year.

    I'll be surprised if KVN ends up anywhere higher than the second round next year and he could end up lower.

    But - I'd expect that he knows that and that a higher draft position isn't what's motivating him to stay. I think he is still, in part, paying down a debt of gratitude to Bronco.
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