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  • Originally posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    It sounds like with penalties, we're getting into the war on drugs outcome, with many people incarcerated for life.
    Well, https://everytownresearch.org/gun-vi...y-the-numbers/ 62% of all gun deaths were from suicides from 2011-2015. That's 105,000 out of 169,000. Think about that. Of those, I'd bet that close to the full amount were from handguns. 105,000 people in 5 years....that's nuts. There's no way to know for sure, but I bet that a huge portion of those people would still be alive if they didn't have access to a handgun. The suicides alone are reason enough to drastically limit access to handguns.

    Maybe we don't allow ownership of handguns, but leasing of them....say, during hunting season people may lease them from hunting supply companies. You can get a long-term lease, say, 20 years, available for check out during hunting season if you own a gun safe. Every 20 years, you need a psych evaluation--at your expense--to renew.

    Or, no handguns, period, until age 35 (same age as POTUS).

    Or, no new handguns, period. Old ones, properly registered, are grandfathered in. Massive transfer fees. Then we slowly whittle down the supply over time. If a gun is used in a suicide or crime, regardless of who owns it, it's forfeit.
    "Yeah, but never trust a Ph.D who has an MBA as well. The PhD symbolizes intelligence and discipline. The MBA symbolizes lust for power." -- Katy Lied

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    • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
      It's funny that people think "taking away guns" is how Hitler rose to power. Read a few damn history books, people.
      Yeah, super funny.

      Gun Control in the Third Reich by Stephen P. Halbrook is on my bookshelf. You should check it out. It doesn't claim that Hitler rose to power through gun control, but it documents how Germany's gun control policies were intentionally used in coordination with its policies to persecute the Jews and the Nazi's political opponents. It shows the real connection between disarming policies and oppression. The Nazis did see the disarming of the enemies of the state as an essential component of consolidating their power.

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      • Originally posted by Crockett View Post
        Yeah, super funny.

        Gun Control in the Third Reich by Stephen P. Halbrook is on my bookshelf. You should check it out. It doesn't claim that Hitler rose to power through gun control, but it documents how Germany's gun control policies were intentionally used in coordination with its policies to persecute the Jews and the Nazi's political opponents. It shows the real connection between disarming policies and oppression. The Nazis did see the disarming of the enemies of the state as an essential component of consolidating their power.
        Of course they are going to take away the guns of the Jews. They don't want the SS officers to be shot when they come to haul them away. But if you think the Jews could have stopped Nazism with a few rifles, you have lost your mind.

        Hitler consolidated power mainly through a political process. His main weapons were nationalism, racism, and anti-communism.
        "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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        • "Yeah, but never trust a Ph.D who has an MBA as well. The PhD symbolizes intelligence and discipline. The MBA symbolizes lust for power." -- Katy Lied

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          • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
            Hitler consolidated power mainly through a political process. His main weapons were nationalism, racism, and anti-communism.
            Ah, there's Trump's problem. He's only using two of those three pillars.

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            • Originally posted by Crockett View Post
              Yeah a civil war could never happen here. And our country feels so unified these days.

              One of the big problems with major gun control is that once the 2d amendment is gone I can't imagine it would ever make it back and the fundamental intent of the 2d amendment -- to resist tyranny -- is not a problem that would manifest overnight. It's something that could happen in 25-50 years though after the population becomes more dependent on the govt / servile and then it's too late. We pretend like nothing bad could ever happen here. History shows us that that is a foolish notion.

              OK fess up. You're the guy quoted in the trib article, right?

              Are any of those scenarios possible? Sure. Are they likely? No. There are so many more realistic scenarios that could imperil the country.

              And c'mon. You've seen this story before. When the citizenry get all uppity about their rights and take up arms, the strong arm of the law always wins. Is it really the AR-15 wielding citizens who are saving us from civil war?

              Originally posted by Crockett View Post
              Well, it was either Trump or Hillary. I chose wisely.

              The left is the one that needs to look in the mirror about the divisions in this country. It's a big reason why he got elected -- political correctness, dividing people into victim groups, demonizing conservatives as evil / horrible people, the white privilege BS, etc. Imagine how much better this country would be right now if the left was introspective about why they lost instead of this fake Russia collusion / stolen election narrative and this year and half hissy fit.

              And if you really do think Trump is Hitler and you want to resist, why in the world would you freely give up your power and rights to such a dangerous man?
              This.is.hilarious. Please tell me which national political figure on the left is as bad a demagogue as Trump is.
              "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
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              • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                It's funny that people think "taking away guns" is how Hitler rose to power. Read a few damn history books, people.
                Who runs on the platform of "let's take away your guns" (other than the democrats)? That is dumb.
                "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                  Who runs on the platform of "let's take away your guns" (other than the democrats)? That is dumb.
                  Well, there is the answer that has nothing to do with my post. But you forgot the meaningless link or cartoon. Come on, man!
                  "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                  "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                  "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                  • Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
                    OK fess up. You're the guy quoted in the trib article, right?

                    Are any of those scenarios possible? Sure. Are they likely? No. There are so many more realistic scenarios that could imperil the country.

                    And c'mon. You've seen this story before. When the citizenry get all uppity about their rights and take up arms, the strong arm of the law always wins. Is it really the AR-15 wielding citizens who are saving us from civil war?



                    This.is.hilarious. Please tell me which national political figure on the left is as bad a demagogue as Trump is.
                    The Crock is harmless... Y'all should check out https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com

                    On President Nelson's statement on the Florida shooting, for example:

                    It goes to show that even prophets can be uninformed.
                    Did President Nelson have armed guards around him when he said that?
                    Someone asks, "Why do we need assault rifles?"

                    Because we have a God-given right to defend ourselves from every predator, including tyrannical governments that like to load people up onto boxcars and haul them off to gas chambers.
                    Captain Moroni is rolling in his grave knowing everything he taught us is for naught.
                    Great entertainment over there!
                    "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                    "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                    "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                    GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                    • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                      Well, there is the answer that has nothing to do with my post. But you forgot the meaningless link or cartoon. Come on, man!
                      I am saying it is dumb to think that Hilter (aka, Drumpf) rose to power on the platform of taking away guns or gun control.
                      "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                      "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                      "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                      GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                      • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                        I am saying it is dumb to think that Hilter (aka, Drumpf) rose to power on the platform of taking away guns or gun control.
                        OK, but that is beside the point. I don't think anybody made such a claim. But I guess it gave you an opening to #whataboutdemocrats, so there you go.
                        "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                        "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                        "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                        • Originally posted by cowboy View Post
                          Ok, wuap, JL, OG, etc. You guys all own guns and understand them, and you've given this some thought, so I would like your opinions on two problems that I see as huge obstacles to the effectiveness of further restrictions:

                          1) There is an enormous supply of semi-automatic weapons, large-capacity magazines, etc. in circulation. To restrict these would seem to require getting them out of circulation. If you disagree, I'm interested in why. Otherwise, how do you propose we get these things out of circulation if you favor restrictions, and
                          past proliferation is not a good enough reason to encourage continued proliferation. i also support voluntary buybacks.

                          Originally posted by cowboy View Post
                          2) Laws are already being broken, so what would you propose to make further restrictions effective? Specifically, the Vegas shooter was using an illegal weapon, and it's pretty easy to modify legal weapons to be illegal. Also, neither the Texas shooter nor the Florida shooter should have been able to purchase weapons given their history. It seems that helping dealers and cops enforce existing laws would be largely eliminate the need for further laws.
                          something approaching strict liability for gun sellers is a good step. there are too many dealers, many of them are dumb. cops should have the authority to temporarily remove weapons from the possession of somebody with mental illness or that has made threats (short of a commitment proceeding).
                          Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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                          • Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
                            past proliferation is not a good enough reason to encourage continued proliferation. i also support voluntary buybacks.



                            something approaching strict liability for gun sellers is a good step. there are too many dealers, many of them are dumb. cops should have the authority to temporarily remove weapons from the possession of somebody with mental illness or that has made threats (short of a commitment proceeding).
                            I agree.
                            "Yeah, but never trust a Ph.D who has an MBA as well. The PhD symbolizes intelligence and discipline. The MBA symbolizes lust for power." -- Katy Lied

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                            • Originally posted by Crockett View Post
                              Yeah a civil war could never happen here. And our country feels so unified these days.

                              One of the big problems with major gun control is that once the 2d amendment is gone I can't imagine it would ever make it back and the fundamental intent of the 2d amendment -- to resist tyranny -- is not a problem that would manifest overnight. It's something that could happen in 25-50 years though after the population becomes more dependent on the govt / servile and then it's too late. We pretend like nothing bad could ever happen here. History shows us that that is a foolish notion.
                              i mean this in the nicest way possible, but you are fucking loony tunes and should seek prolonged mental health assistance from the most accomplished specialists available. your idiot reptile brain should should be studied by scientists to determine where evolution went wrong such that you're having fantasies that combine patrick swayze and lavoy finicum.
                              Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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                              • Originally posted by Crockett View Post
                                Yeah a civil war could never happen here. And our country feels so unified these days.

                                One of the big problems with major gun control is that once the 2d amendment is gone I can't imagine it would ever make it back and the fundamental intent of the 2d amendment -- to resist tyranny -- is not a problem that would manifest overnight. It's something that could happen in 25-50 years though after the population becomes more dependent on the govt / servile and then it's too late. We pretend like nothing bad could ever happen here. History shows us that that is a foolish notion.
                                Yep. Everyone remember that one time there was a civil war in the United States and the North invaded the South without any reason whatsoever, and then took all of the guns from the South, and executed all of the soldiers who fought in the Rebellion? They then oppressed Southerners for the next 200+ years, disenfranchising them, and under-representing them in Congress. They also refused to share the tax proceeds from the North and West with the South in any way. Tyranny is the American way...history shows us this.
                                "Yeah, but never trust a Ph.D who has an MBA as well. The PhD symbolizes intelligence and discipline. The MBA symbolizes lust for power." -- Katy Lied

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