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I continue to be truly mystified by Trump's continuing appeal, and how so many people seem to believe his bloviations, like this one from last night:
This election isn't about Republican or Democrat, it's about who runs this country: special interests or the people. Why would politicians want to change a system that's totally rigged to keep them in power? That's what they're doing folks. Why would politicians want to change a system that's made them and their friends very very wealthy? We can't fixed a rigged system by relying ... on the very people who rigged it.
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Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostI continue to be truly mystified by Trump's continuing appeal, and how so many people seem to believe his bloviations, like this one from last night:
I understand the populist sentiment and why so many find it appealing. What I don't understand is why they think Trump embodies the populist ideal. By his own admission, Trump has given millions to politicians and benefited tremendously from those donations. Why don't his audiences heave rotting produce at him, or at least buckle over in paroxysms of laughter, when he says such things with a straight face?
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Is this just Trump propaganda or did the lawyers who are going after his "Fraud U" actually pay the Clinton's over $675,000 in speaking fees? I wish there was a list of all the places Bill and Hillary have spoken and got a fee of over $200,000. If they are getting that much per speech, think about how rich Obama is going to be. If he is as much for the middle class and poor as he claims, he should be an example and give 50% to charity or just give it to the government. As much as the Clinton's are for the comman man, I will bet they paid extra in taxes and also gave 50% of their speaking fees to charity.
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Originally posted by byu71 View PostIs this just Trump propaganda or did the lawyers who are going after his "Fraud U" actually pay the Clinton's over $675,000 in speaking fees? I wish there was a list of all the places Bill and Hillary have spoken and got a fee of over $200,000. If they are getting that much per speech, think about how rich Obama is going to be. If he is as much for the middle class and poor as he claims, he should be an example and give 50% to charity or just give it to the government. As much as the Clinton's are for the comman man, I will bet they paid extra in taxes and also gave 50% of their speaking fees to charity.Last edited by BlueK; 06-08-2016, 11:31 AM.
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Since the recent excitement about Trump's bad effort at deflecting attention from his Trump U fraud case by claiming the judge can't be trusted because he has Mexican ancestry a few generations back, I've read a few pretty stupid apologetic rationalization pieces on it from some "conservative" sources. Seriously embarrassing the lengths some people will go to defend Trump when Trump ideologically isn't even a real conservative to begin with. These are the same yahoos who scream bloody murder when the left uses "identity" politics, but it's perfectly ok if Trump does it too.
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Originally posted by BlueK View PostI'm not sure why it matters what famous people get for speaking fees. It's ok for conservative speakers because they don't claim to care about the less advantaged? What evidence is there that conservatives don't care as much even if they have different solutions to problems? Weird reasoning, IMO.
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Originally posted by BlueK View PostSince the recent excitement about Trump's bad effort at deflecting attention from his Trump U fraud case by claiming the judge can't be trusted because he has Mexican ancestry a few generations back, I've read a few pretty stupid apologetic rationalization pieces on it from some "conservative" sources. Seriously embarrassing the lengths some people will go to defend Trump when Trump ideologically isn't even a real conservative to begin with. These are the same yahoos who scream bloody murder when the left uses "identity" politics, but it's perfectly ok if Trump does it too.
"...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
"You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
- SeattleUte
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Originally posted by imanihonjin View PostWhy would you say that? There is a huge difference between not caring for the less advantaged and no believing that the government is the ideal in terms of taking care of the less advantaged. Studies have shown that conservatives are more giving in both time and monetary contributions to charity.Last edited by BlueK; 06-08-2016, 11:49 AM.
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Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
Furthermore, in Trump's case this isn't a silly, non-existent hypothetical. He's talking about a guy born in Indiana who has some Mexican ancestors a couple of generations back. It's also a judge that is very well respected by all sides of the political spectrum and was unanimously approved by the US Senate.
Seriously, the defenses of Trump's stupid words are twice as disgusting to me as what Trump said.Last edited by BlueK; 06-08-2016, 11:55 AM.
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Go for it Mitt! Win or lose, it's good to stand for something higher than the garbage choices the electorate has right now. Ok, I actually like Gary Johnson, but IMO, the muddier the general election race is and the more viable choices, the better. Let the House of Reps deal with it later if need be and let the chips fall where they may. At least that would be following the Constitution and we may possibly end up with a much better president than Trump or Hillary.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/an-ope...rticle/2002732
as a side note, it's ironic and funny to a mormon reader how the writer is appealing to a mormon politician using the example of Martin Van Buren of "your cause is just but I can't help your people" fame.Last edited by BlueK; 06-08-2016, 12:09 PM.
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Originally posted by BlueK View PostI'm not saying that at all. I'm just confused as to why it's bad for a liberal to take speaking fees and what that has to do with their level of caring for the less advantaged. Does BYU71 or anyone else care if a conservative gets paid to speak and what that person will do with the money. I may not like what the Clintons stand for politically or in other things, but I couldn't care less what someone would want to pay them to speak to their group.
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Originally posted by imanihonjin View PostHowever, do you not see the hypocrisy in taking such large speaking fees on one hand and then decrying the wage gap, inequality, and, most damning, tuition costs (even though colleges and Universities are payors) on the other?Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.
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Originally posted by imanihonjin View PostFair enough. However, do you not see the hypocrisy in taking such large speaking fees on one hand and then decrying the wage gap, inequality, and, most damning, tuition costs (even though colleges and Universities are payors) on the other?Last edited by BlueK; 06-08-2016, 12:36 PM.
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Originally posted by old_gregg View Posti don't. how does telling goldman that her fee is actually half of what they offer going to have any effect on any of that?
Don't worry, I don't expect anything less from the left. They luxuriate in the society and all of its offerings that capitalism built and then bitch and moan about perceived inequities. It reminds me of this picture of kayakers protesting an oil rig.
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