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    Never too early to be thinking ahead.

    I have to wonder what the GOP field will look like in this primary. Most of the 2012 primary candidates are pretty toxic at this point. Gingrich and Santorum are yesterday's news. Perry was exposed in this election. Bachman would have been, if she had stuck around much longer. The 2012 primaries were pretty devastating for Jon Huntsman, meanwhile, who I always thought was running for 2016, but he failed to pick up any traction among Republicans whatsoever. He's the Republican Democrats want to be the Republican candidate. Jon Huntsman might throw his hat in the ring if he has a good two years, but I'm not sure at this point that this happens. Herman Cain is a punchline. Ron Paul . . . nothing needs to be said here, I think.

    My guess is that the frontrunners of the GOP primary will be those who watched the primary on the sidelines. Portman and Pawlenty might show some interest, but I'd guess they will have limited impact, having been passed on for so long by so many. Chris Christie could make a splash, but I doubt enough people are willing to look past his weight.

    The favorites at this point have got to be Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio. No Republican was better served by the 2012 election than Paul Ryan, who was thrust into the spotlight as an authority (whether you agreed with him or not) on the budget and the need for fiscal restraint. His social platform puts him pretty far on the right, which could continue to be a problem for a center that is increasingly libertarian. Marco Rubio, meanwhile, represents the fastest-growing demographic in the nation and the Republican party's fastest-growing liability. He is fairly junior in the Senate, but this comes with advantages and disadvantages, giving him neither a track record nor a paper trail. Even if Marco Rubio doesn't emerge as the presidential candidate, he's among the most compelling VP candidates. Some governor from some conservative state may well make a push.

    As for Dems, the conversation begins and ends with Hillary Clinton. It's the choice they should have made in 2008, and I suspect most are inclined to try it again. The only person who may not be on board is Clinton herself, but then again, disavowals of interest in running are almost a prerequisite at this point. She may be pressed into service by an otherwise scant cupboard. Joe Biden and Harry Reid certainly aren't going very far in a national election. NY Governor Andrew Cuomo is an unknown quantity, but you get automatic points by being governor of a big blue state. I've seen Rahm Emmanuel's name mentioned a time or two, as well. Cory Booker, mayor of Newark, NJ, gave a well-received speech at the convention, but is also pretty young-- maybe too young for the top spot. Then again, a young African-American can do a lot to shore up the bottom half of the ticket.

    My guess as of now:

    GOP: Paul Ryan, with Marco Rubio as his running mate
    Dems: Hillary Clinton, with Cory Booker as her running mate
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    Quote Originally Posted by All-American View Post
    Never too early to be thinking ahead.

    I have to wonder what the GOP field will look like in this primary. Most of the 2012 primary candidates are pretty toxic at this point. Gingrich and Santorum are yesterday's news. Perry was exposed in this election. Bachman would have been, if she had stuck around much longer. The 2012 primaries were pretty devastating for Jon Huntsman, meanwhile, who I always thought was running for 2016, but he failed to pick up any traction among Republicans whatsoever. He's the Republican Democrats want to be the Republican candidate. Jon Huntsman might throw his hat in the ring if he has a good two years, but I'm not sure at this point that this happens. Herman Cain is a punchline. Ron Paul . . . nothing needs to be said here, I think.

    My guess is that the frontrunners of the GOP primary will be those who watched the primary on the sidelines. Portman and Pawlenty might show some interest, but I'd guess they will have limited impact, having been passed on for so long by so many. Chris Christie could make a splash, but I doubt enough people are willing to look past his weight.

    The favorites at this point have got to be Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio. No Republican was better served by the 2012 election than Paul Ryan, who was thrust into the spotlight as an authority (whether you agreed with him or not) on the budget and the need for fiscal restraint. His social platform puts him pretty far on the right, which could continue to be a problem for a center that is increasingly libertarian. Marco Rubio, meanwhile, represents the fastest-growing demographic in the nation and the Republican party's fastest-growing liability. He is fairly junior in the Senate, but this comes with advantages and disadvantages, giving him neither a track record nor a paper trail. Even if Marco Rubio doesn't emerge as the presidential candidate, he's among the most compelling VP candidates. Some governor from some conservative state may well make a push.

    As for Dems, the conversation begins and ends with Hillary Clinton. It's the choice they should have made in 2008, and I suspect most are inclined to try it again. The only person who may not be on board is Clinton herself, but then again, disavowals of interest in running are almost a prerequisite at this point. She may be pressed into service by an otherwise scant cupboard. Joe Biden and Harry Reid certainly aren't going very far in a national election. NY Governor Andrew Cuomo is an unknown quantity, but you get automatic points by being governor of a big blue state. I've seen Rahm Emmanuel's name mentioned a time or two, as well. Cory Booker, mayor of Newark, NJ, gave a well-received speech at the convention, but is also pretty young-- maybe too young for the top spot. Then again, a young African-American can do a lot to shore up the bottom half of the ticket.

    My guess as of now:

    GOP: Paul Ryan, with Marco Rubio as his running mate
    Dems: Hillary Clinton, with Cory Booker as her running mate
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    I wonder if Jeb Bush doesn't make a run. Is it still too soon and/or have the dems and Obama effectively made the Bush name toxic.

    A Jeb Bush with Marco Rubio could be a nice ticket. Florida would go red again with them. I think we reverse the downward trend among Latinos also. A Mexican born first lady and the son of Cuban immigrants as VP. That ticket might be too Catholic for the far right, but I think it is time to put them in check.

    I like Paul Ryan quite a bit. He'll be attractive if the GOP's worst fears are realized and the economy is still in tatters in 4 years. I could also get behind a Ryan-Rubio ticket. I just wonder if they're too young together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
    Where's Tony Villar Antonio Villaragosa?
    Making sure he never has to propose amendments to the party platform ever again.
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    Rubio needs to be at the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All-American View Post
    Never too early to be thinking ahead.

    I have to wonder what the GOP field will look like in this primary. Most of the 2012 primary candidates are pretty toxic at this point. Gingrich and Santorum are yesterday's news. Perry was exposed in this election. Bachman would have been, if she had stuck around much longer. The 2012 primaries were pretty devastating for Jon Huntsman, meanwhile, who I always thought was running for 2016, but he failed to pick up any traction among Republicans whatsoever. He's the Republican Democrats want to be the Republican candidate. Jon Huntsman might throw his hat in the ring if he has a good two years, but I'm not sure at this point that this happens. Herman Cain is a punchline. Ron Paul . . . nothing needs to be said here, I think.

    My guess is that the frontrunners of the GOP primary will be those who watched the primary on the sidelines. Portman and Pawlenty might show some interest, but I'd guess they will have limited impact, having been passed on for so long by so many. Chris Christie could make a splash, but I doubt enough people are willing to look past his weight.

    The favorites at this point have got to be Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio. No Republican was better served by the 2012 election than Paul Ryan, who was thrust into the spotlight as an authority (whether you agreed with him or not) on the budget and the need for fiscal restraint. His social platform puts him pretty far on the right, which could continue to be a problem for a center that is increasingly libertarian. Marco Rubio, meanwhile, represents the fastest-growing demographic in the nation and the Republican party's fastest-growing liability. He is fairly junior in the Senate, but this comes with advantages and disadvantages, giving him neither a track record nor a paper trail. Even if Marco Rubio doesn't emerge as the presidential candidate, he's among the most compelling VP candidates. Some governor from some conservative state may well make a push.

    As for Dems, the conversation begins and ends with Hillary Clinton. It's the choice they should have made in 2008, and I suspect most are inclined to try it again. The only person who may not be on board is Clinton herself, but then again, disavowals of interest in running are almost a prerequisite at this point. She may be pressed into service by an otherwise scant cupboard. Joe Biden and Harry Reid certainly aren't going very far in a national election. NY Governor Andrew Cuomo is an unknown quantity, but you get automatic points by being governor of a big blue state. I've seen Rahm Emmanuel's name mentioned a time or two, as well. Cory Booker, mayor of Newark, NJ, gave a well-received speech at the convention, but is also pretty young-- maybe too young for the top spot. Then again, a young African-American can do a lot to shore up the bottom half of the ticket.

    My guess as of now:

    GOP: Paul Ryan, with Marco Rubio as his running mate
    Dems: Hillary Clinton, with Cory Booker as her running mate
    The names are escaping me, but what about the Mayor of...San Antonio I want to say, and his brother that just won a congressional seat (I believe). They seemed to make a splash at the DNC and one of them could be in line for a VP slot as well.
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    Paul Ryan would lose in a rout. He doesn't even bring anything in his home state. He's a younger, more boring version of Romney.

    Worst VP pick ever for Romney.
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    please, no. not now.
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    Hillary Clinton vs Jeb Bush.....oh man!! Get me some tickets to that brawl!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pellegrino View Post
    please, no. not now.
    Too soon?

    There is no harm in speculating, but I agree with you. Before the party nominates any candidate they need to address the platform. Otherwise you may end up with a square peg in a round hole again. Top of the list needs to be immigration reform. Second are the social issues with softer stances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    Paul Ryan would lose in a rout. He doesn't even bring anything in his home state. He's a younger, more boring version of Romney.
    Yes, Paul Ryan also wouldn't help with the minority vote. Obama even won 73% of the Asian-American vote. The republicans are going to need a Rubio or Jindal that is somewhat a social liberal like Huntsman. Of course, such a candidate most likely wouldn't survive the republican primaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Yes, Paul Ryan also wouldn't help with the minority vote. Obama even won 73% of the Asian-American vote. The republicans are going to need a Rubio or Jindal that is somewhat a social liberal like Huntsman. Of course, such a candidate most likely wouldn't survive the republican primaries.
    Jeb's son George looks like he's going to run for a state office in Texas. He recently registered. He may be a GOP future star. Half hispanic. Political roots. UT-A educated lawyer. Business owner/entrepreneur. Navy veteran with a deployment in Afghanistan.

    I agree though. We need a fiscal conservative-social moderate in office. And to get there, the GOP has to begin altering its platform now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by All-American View Post
    Never too early to be thinking ahead.

    Dems: Hillary Clinton, with Cory Booker as her running mate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sullyute View Post
    I would absolute love to have this avatar for 4 or 8 years...

    That picture must be 20 years old.
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    Or thirty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfah View Post
    That picture must be 20 years old.
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    Or thirty.
    I will admit the last 4 years have not been kind to Ms. Clinton, but I have always thought she looked good in that picture. ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sullyute View Post
    I would absolute love to have this avatar for 4 or 8 years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sullyute View Post
    I will admit the last 4 years have not been kind to Ms. Clinton, but I have always thought she looked good in that picture. ...
    I think she does as well.
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    If we have four more years like the last four look for the right to get really fired up and put in someone like Rand Paul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sullyute View Post
    I will admit the last 4 years have not been kind to Ms. Clinton, but I have always thought she looked good in that picture. ...
    That's because it cuts off her cankles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Yes, Paul Ryan also wouldn't help with the minority vote. Obama even won 73% of the Asian-American vote. The republicans are going to need a Rubio or Jindal that is somewhat a social liberal like Huntsman. Of course, such a candidate most likely wouldn't survive the republican primaries.
    Huntsman would be fine by me if he'd drop the bullshit about carbon taxes, cap and trade, etc.

    For those reasons, I don't think he stands a chance, nor should he.

    I think Rubio would give you the best shot of winning. He's young, charismatic, non-white.

    Ryan would not do a thing for me. After watching the guy in debates, in ads and in the media, he kind of creeps me out. He'd lose in a landslide. A lot of right leaning folks would stay home.

    I think the Bush's are poisoned fruit.

    Jindal? Would he really win the "Asian" vote? How many Chinese or Japanese Americans would feel "kinship" with the guy? Again, I think he'd be better than Ryan, but not as good as Rubio.

    I think the Republican party needs to find the most qualified, non-white, socially liberal yet fiscally conservative candidate they can. Someone young and charismatic.

    The Republican party needs to shift the paradigm. It might lose some evangelicals, but I firmly believe that for the cause of fiscal conservatism and a hope for the future of the economy, they have to do it. Somehow they need to get to a point where the Republican/right mantra: is total freedom. Economic freedom. Social freedom. Individual freedom.

    Gay marriage? When did "we" decide "we" needed the government to recognize ANY of our marriages? I couldn't care less if the government recognizes my marriage. I only care if my spouse and if you so believe, God and church recognize it. Why is it necessary for the state to be involved with ANYBODY's marriage. Maybe, rather than arguing what the government recognizes as marriage, we ought to be arguing about WHY it even needs to be part and parcel of our interpersonal relationships. Thoughts?

    That, IMO, ought to be the Republican line on social issues. Including abortion and mary jane.

    That line on social issues along with a strong message of economic freedom OUGHT to be the direction of the Republican party, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sullyute View Post
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    She looks embalmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wally View Post
    She looks embalmed.
    Actually, she doesn't. Nobody is that good at embalming.

    That's just an example of lipstick on a pig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
    Actually, she doesn't. Nobody is that good at embalming.

    That's just an example of lipstick on a pig.
    I just got schooled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RC Vikings View Post
    If we have four more years like the last four look for the right to get really fired up and put in someone like Rand Paul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Portland Ute View Post
    I think Rubio would give you the best shot of winning. He's young, charismatic, non-white.

    Ryan would not do a thing for me. After watching the guy in debates, in ads and in the media, he kind of creeps me out. He'd lose in a landslide. A lot of right leaning folks would stay home.
    I think Rubio is the best answer right now.

    Ryan is into details and math. He doesn't connect with people. He's not charismatic. I think it's obvious that the actuarial-type are never going to win the presidency, at least not in this day and age.

    Rubio seems to be more rational, at least with immigration. He is young and inexperienced, but he has time to step it up and he has more experience than Obama did when he ran. He needs to distance himself from the TEA party first, but I think he's doing just that.

    Also Rubio married a cheerleader.....and who wouldn't vote for him just to see his wife as first lady?
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    Please, no one with the last name of Bush. I don't care if he's good or not. That name won't fly anymore.

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    I'm still bothered that Jeb Bush won't get a shot as a result of his brother's presidency. I thought that 2000-20008 should have been Jeb, not W. And I think Jeb could do a great job. but he has been out of the game so long, anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripletDaddy View Post
    I'm still bothered that Jeb Bush won't get a shot as a result of his brother's presidency. I thought that 2000-20008 should have been Jeb, not W. And I think Jeb could do a great job. but he has been out of the game so long, anyway.
    I think W has ruined any chance for anyone from the Bush family to ever have a shot at public office on a national level, be it the White House, the Senate or the House. And I agree that Jeb would have done a really good job had he been POTUS.
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