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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    Three of the largest active threads in the current events forum are filled with you and Frank handwringing about what Trump may have done and mind-reading what he will try to do. Forgive us if we can't detect sarcasm from genuine concerns at this poibt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    Three of the largest active threads in the current events forum are filled with you and Frank handwringing about what Trump may have done and mind-reading what he will try to do. Forgive us if we can't detect sarcasm from genuine concerns at this poibt.

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    So after reading a few posts in one of the Iraq war threads it stuck out to me that of the only two presidents elected over the last 130 years who lost the popular vote, one started a war 80% of us today think was a bad decision and insanely costly in terms of life and money. And the other is Trump. Maybe the next one who wins that way will be better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Iím glad you participate but you donít have to read them if they bother you. Obama was the subject of a multitude of threads as well, letís not act like this scrutiny is new.
    It's not the fact of the scrutiny that he was commenting on. It is the histrionic nature of so much of the commentary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    So after reading a few posts in one of the Iraq war threads it stuck out to me that of the only two presidents elected over the last 130 years who lost the popular vote, one started a war 80% of us today think was a bad decision and insanely costly in terms of life and money. And the other is Trump. Maybe the next one who wins that way will be better.
    But then you look at who they beat and think . . . it could have been even worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wapiti View Post
    But then you look at who they beat and think . . . it could have been even worse.
    I guess anything is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    So after reading a few posts in one of the Iraq war threads it stuck out to me that of the only two presidents elected over the last 130 years who lost the popular vote, one started a war 80% of us today think was a bad decision and insanely costly in terms of life and money. And the other is Trump. Maybe the next one who wins that way will be better.
    What's your point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    What's your point?
    You can't get my point or you just don't like the point made? I think you mean the latter.

    But to spell it out, the EC is essentially moot unless it delivers a different result than the popular vote. That's only happened two times in the last 130 years and both of those presidents are going to be considered well below average when all is said and done. It's just interesting. Like I said, hopefully the next time it happens it will deliver a better president. Although Bush was a good man and meant well. He was just a much better Major League Baseball owner than he was president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    You can't get my point or you just don't like the point made? I think you mean the latter.

    But to spell it out, the EC is essentially moot unless it delivers a different result than the popular vote. That's only happened two times in the last 130 years and both of those presidents are going to be considered well below average when all is said and done. It's just interesting. Like I said, hopefully the next time it happens it will deliver a better president. Although Bush was a good man and meant well. He was just a much better Major League Baseball owner than he was president.
    Other than the disaster in Iraq, Bush was not a bad president. Not at all convinced that Gore would have been better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Other than the disaster in Iraq, Bush was not a bad president. Not at all convinced that Gore would have been better.
    I think his worst moment was the Patriot Act. But congress should take as much blame for that as he does. They did nothing to stop that POS bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    I guess anything is possible.
    But this undercuts the correlation of a bad president being elected while losing the popular vote. And Bush was a good president btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    You can't get my point or you just don't like the point made? I think you mean the latter.

    But to spell it out, the EC is essentially moot unless it delivers a different result than the popular vote. That's only happened two times in the last 130 years and both of those presidents are going to be considered well below average when all is said and done. It's just interesting. Like I said, hopefully the next time it happens it will deliver a better president. Although Bush was a good man and meant well. He was just a much better Major League Baseball owner than he was president.
    The more I think about this, the more I dislike this argument. The fact that it happens rarely is argument for keeping it. And the fact that you or I or anyone else dislikes the results of these two elections is not a valid reason for discarding it. The entire point of the electoral college is to avoid the tyranny of the majority. Yes of course a majority will dislike the outcome in such cases. That is by definition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    You can't get my point or you just don't like the point made? I think you mean the latter.

    But to spell it out, the EC is essentially moot unless it delivers a different result than the popular vote. That's only happened two times in the last 130 years and both of those presidents are going to be considered well below average when all is said and done. It's just interesting. Like I said, hopefully the next time it happens it will deliver a better president. Although Bush was a good man and meant well. He was just a much better Major League Baseball owner than he was president.
    What about the Senate? Should we get rid of that too? If we keep it I don't think Utah should have the same number of senators as Texas. Maybe Romney and Lee can flip a coin to see who gets to stay.

    We should just let New York, Florida and Texas decide who will be president from now on. (California wants to be their own nation so we should just let them.) The rest of the nation can stay home or go to work on presidential election day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarid in Cedar View Post
    I think his worst moment was the Patriot Act. But congress should take as much blame for that as he does. They did nothing to stop that POS bill.
    Not to mention congress keeps renewing that POS bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    What about the Senate? Should we get rid of that too? If we keep it I don't think Utah should have the same number of senators as Texas. Maybe Romney and Lee can flip a coin to see who gets to stay.

    We should just let New York, Florida and Texas decide who will be president from now on. (California wants to be their own nation so we should just let them.) The rest of the nation can stay home or go to work on presidential election day.
    I've already addressed this with your buddy Walter. The Senate is fine as is. It allows smaller states to get their voice out there on an even plane. But it can't do anything without the House agreeing with it, and vice-versa which should allow for compromise and working together to come up with solutions that work for everyone. That is the way it should work even if it's not efficient. However, the two-party system is destroying it right now by championing polarization and demonization of the other side. Both parties deserve to go down. They are the real problem right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    But this undercuts the correlation of a bad president being elected while losing the popular vote. And Bush was a good president btw.
    I don't think Bush was very good -- slightly better than Obama. The Patriot Act was a pretty egregious attack on civil liberties, as was his warrantless domestic spying which illegally went beyond even the Patriot Act. Still, I acknowledge he thought he was doing a good thing.

    But he was still the best of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln combined compared to Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    I don't think Bush was very good -- slightly better than Obama. The Patriot Act was a pretty egregious attack on civil liberties, as was his warrantless domestic spying which illegally went beyond even the Patriot Act. Still, I acknowledge he thought he was doing a good thing.

    But he was still the best of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln combined compared to Trump.
    Yeah, Iím not sure where the Bush love comes from on this board. He wasnít a good president even ignoring the Iraq war. The Patriot Act and the Great Recession were pretty bad. But I guess in contrast to Trump, he is good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Yeah, I’m not sure where the Bush love comes from on this board. He wasn’t a good president even ignoring the Iraq war. The Patriot Act and the Great Recession were pretty bad. But I guess in contrast to Trump, he is good.
    You gonna blame that on Bush?

    He took office in time for some pretty tough challenges to hit our great country, and he was a leader. He was one of the few presidents we've had in my lifetime that actually led. He was a good man who did what he believed was the right thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    He took office in time for some pretty tough challenges to hit our great country, and he was a leader. He was one of the few presidents we've had in my lifetime that actually led. He was a good man who did what he believed was the right thing.
    Great logic.

    BD on rapists... hey, other than raping that one woman (who deserved it by the way), a really good guy.

    BD on murderers... hey, other than that killing rampage (brown people had it coming), a nice fella who is just misunderstood.

    BD on Bush... hey, other than being responsible for hundreds of thousand of civilians being killed and several thousand US soldiers dying by exaggerating a threat that never existed (and most people, including UN inspectors said didn't exist), Bush was a great leader.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Great logic.

    BD on rapists... hey, other than raping that one woman (who deserved it by the way), a really good guy.

    BD on murderers... hey, other than that killing rampage (brown people had it coming), a nice fella who is just misunderstood.

    BD on Bush... hey, other than being responsible for hundreds of thousand of civilians being killed and several thousand US soldiers dying by exaggerating a threat that never existed (and most people, including UN inspectors said didn't exist), Bush was a great leader.
    I can see how much you hate him, but I'm at a loss to connect what I said to any of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    I can see how much you hate him, but I'm at a loss to connect what I said to any of that.
    Which is probably why you think Bush is a "good President". You can't make obvious connections about his dishonesty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Which is probably why you think Bush is a "good President". You can't make obvious connections about his dishonesty.
    Haters gonna hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Great logic.

    BD on rapists... hey, other than raping that one woman (who deserved it by the way), a really good guy.

    BD on murderers... hey, other than that killing rampage (brown people had it coming), a nice fella who is just misunderstood.

    BD on Bush... hey, other than being responsible for hundreds of thousand of civilians being killed and several thousand US soldiers dying by exaggerating a threat that never existed (and most people, including UN inspectors said didn't exist), Bush was a great leader.
    Ha. Most predictable response ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Ha. Most predictable response ever.
    The Iraq war wasn’t an innocent mistake. It was undertaken by an administration stocked with slick serial liars and manipulators. America invaded Iraq because the White House wanted a war (and the MSM wanted a war too, but that is a topic for another conversation). The justifications for the invasion were nothing but falsified pretexts. And President Bush was at the top of that. Anyone that believes President Bush was a "good president" is a dunce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    The Iraq war wasnít an innocent mistake. It was undertaken by an administration stocked with slick serial liars and manipulators. America invaded Iraq because the White House wanted a war (and the MSM wanted a war too, but that is a topic for another conversation). The justifications for the invasion were nothing but falsified pretexts. And President Bush was at the top of that. Anyone that believes President Bush was a "good president" is a dunce.
    Where do you stand on the JKF Assassination, the Lunar Landing, and the 9/11 Terrorist Attacks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    Where do you stand on the JKF Assassination, the Lunar Landing, and the 9/11 Terrorist Attacks?
    It was Cigarette Smoking Man! He works for the CIA.

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