I like the electoral college a lot more than a nationwide popular vote. It doesn’t matter if it was conceived to appease southern slave owners as that fact doesn’t negate its efficacy in current times.
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Originally posted by swampfrog View PostThe law of unintended consequences is at work here. No highly complex social construction can be adequately modeled such that when a social policy is implemented that all consequences are predictable. The unintended consequences may be a net positive or negative independent of the original arguments for or against the policy. Knowing the original argument is obviously useful, as it should inform any future decisions on change to an enacted policy. However, a claim of irrelevancy on grounds of original arguments is invalid. In fact, the 230 year gap is of significant importance, the culture, technology, population, etc. has changed so drastically that the assumptions that would form the basis for original arguments are most likely untenable at this point.
Discussion and argumentation should primarily be about likely intended consequences given current societal norms and broadened understanding of the human psyche.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by frank ryan View PostShouldn't everyone?
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Originally posted by creekster View PostThe constitution is not a policy or an argument.
But interestingly, with the Electoral College it wouldn't really even need that because the Constitution gives states complete freedom in handing out the electoral votes however they want.Last edited by BlueK; 12-04-2018, 06:52 AM.
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Originally posted by creekster View PostThe constitution is not a policy or an argument.
It's the same problem with invoking the inscription at the statue of liberty as justification for open borders. Even if that inscription was part of the original statue (it wasn't), invoking sentiment from well over 200 years ago is not sufficient argument. Things have changed--and those changes have to be articulated and examined.
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Originally posted by Moliere View PostI like the electoral college a lot more than a nationwide popular vote. It doesn’t matter if it was conceived to appease southern slave owners as that fact doesn’t negate its efficacy in current times.
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Originally posted by BlueK View PostWhat is the current efficacy outside of purely political benefits to one side or the other? If we had a multi-party system I could see the usefulness of it. But we don't have that and probably never will.
A nationwide popular vote for president would ensure we’d have a president that is elected by the urban and suburban areas of the nation. The rural areas would have little to no say. That’s already the case with senators who are no longer elected by state reps but instead by statewide popular vote.
I guess I’m a bit tainted in that I have in-laws that live in a rural area of a liberal state. They feel like they have no say in state government and the enacted regulations are driving their businesses a couple miles east to Idaho, which hasn’t yet become as anti rural as their current state of residence."Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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Originally posted by BlueK View Postif true, it's an irrelevant argument because that's not why it was instituted nor does it solve that issue. Read the article.τὸν ἥλιον ἀνατέλλοντα πλείονες ἢ δυόμενον προσκυνοῦσιν
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Originally posted by BlueK View Postyeah, I think I am because the EC is not doing what it was intended to do in the first place anyway."I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
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Originally posted by Pelado View PostThen maybe it's time to get a new Executive Committee."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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