Originally posted by Commando
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I'm also interested in this idea that if your core audience doesn't like your movie then it's okay as long as you attract the neutral viewers. I heard this argument being made for that terrible 2016 Ghostbusters movie -- which btw got around 75% positive reviews from critics. Your core audience drives the hype along with their spouses, girlfriends/boyfriends, children and friends to these movies.
With regards to Star Wars movies, the Phantom Menace somehow has a 6.5 on imdb which is Batman v Superman territory. There seems to be a floor in the mid 6s for prestige pop culture properties with enormous built in followings. Amazing Spider Man 2 is a 6.7, X-Men Last Stand (the Ratner piece of shit) is somehow a 6.7.
I think there needs to be a weighted scale to properly rate Star Wars movies. The Empire Strikes back is at 8.8, a certifiable classic in fans' minds and neutral viewers. Yet somehow the Phantom Menace is at 6.5 which is marginally decent for a movie, generally speaking (though a bit below my personal Mendoza line). I would put that piece of shit in Ghostbusters 2016's neighborhood -- 5.3. Ishtar is at 4.2 -- essentially a zero for an A movie release. The Phantom Menace isn't Ishtar bad, it's Ghostbusters 2016 bad.
For Star Wars, a 6.5 is basically a 5.3. I would say the 8.8 for TESB is a legitimate 8.8. There's a 2.3 point spread between the worst and the best which should really be a 3.5. spread, so every tenth of a point difference on the imdb scores should be more like .15. Here we go:
1. EMTB: 8.8
2. Star Wars 8.65 (8.7)
3. Return of the Jedi 8.2 (8.4)
4. The Force Awakens 7.75 (8.1)
5. The Revenge of the Sith 7.0 (7.6)
6. The Last Jedi 7.0 (7.6)
7. Attack of the Clones 5.45 (6.6)
8. The Phantom Menace 5.3 (6.5)
It seems like The Last Jedi may slip around at least another two tenths or so from its current imdb -- weighting for Star Wars, it will really be below a 7.0. IMO, a 7.0 is my personal Mendoza Line on imdb for movies. BTW, I think this Star Wars imdb ratio can certainly be applied to other film properties like the Batman and Spider Man movies with the spread between 8.8 and the movie's raw imdb score being the scale. For instance, the last Hobbit movie somehow got a 7.4. That's insane. There's a 1.4 point spread, knock that piece of shit down to a 6.7 -- and I think that's being generous. The Last Jedi is most definitely better than that movie.
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