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    Default Meet Ted Cruz: Tea Party darling, Princeton / Harvard grad, son of a Cuban immigrant

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/79246.html

    I had paid almost zero attention to the Texas Senate thing until yesterday. I assumed - I shld slap my own face - that Cruz was another Tea Party goon.

    On closer examination, this guy has star power on par w/ Marco Rubio, gives the GOP another anchor for its pitch to Hispanic voters and a future leader on the Republican scene.

    A few highlights from the article:

    Cruz’s own story is filled with firsts.

    He was a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review; the first Hispanic to clerk for a chief justice of the United States, in Cruz’s case, William Rehnquist; the first Hispanic solicitor general in the country; and the youngest and longest-serving to hold that position.

    But the Princeton-educated Cruz — who has argued nine cases before the U.S. Supreme Court — showed signs of major promise decades earlier, going back to his high school days in Katy, Texas.

    As a teenager, Cruz made a name for himself after he memorized the Constitution and hit the road to deliver speeches on its intrinsic meaning [Mike Lee wonders why he didn't think of this]. The practice paved the way for his first-place finishes at the 1992 National and North American Debate Championships.
    One of his Princeton profs weighs in:

    George sees Cruz more likely molding himself into a gray beard of sorts who sets out to accomplish big policy goals and is the point man on constitutional questions.

    “I think what you’ve got is someone who is going to be a real intellectual leader in the Senate. The closest parallel I can think of is Paul Ryan in the House of Representatives. He’s a real intellectual leader. He’s not just a factional leader,” said George. “There’s going to be some big constitutional questions to address. … And he might be one of the few U.S. senators who’ve read Tocqueville.”

    Elliott echoed that sentiment, saying that Cruz carries himself with a calm assertiveness that separates him from many politicians who wave the tea party flag.
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    But according to David Dewhurst Cruz is the scum of the earth.
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    Cruz is another lawyer with no private work experience that turned to politics. He's also an obstructionist. I truly wonder how he'll do. I'm leaning towards voting for him but I need to research the Dem before I decide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    But according to David Dewhurst Cruz is the scum of the earth.
    Dewhurst ran some of the most disgusting attack ads I've ever seen. It was unbelievable. The one where they tried to pin a teen suicide on him was particularly appalling. The one where they were going after him for representing a Chinese company was just plain silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Cruz is another lawyer with no private work experience that turned to politics. He's also an obstructionist. I truly wonder how he'll do. I'm leaning towards voting for him but I need to research the Dem before I decide.

    I'd appreciate the insights of Texans - cld you elaborate on "obstructionist"? Sometimes a bit of obstructionism is necessary to obstruct bad policy from being implemented.

    Are you suggesting he's a mere bomb-throwing obstructionist or is he a tactical obstructionist?

    Also - if it's accurate that he argued around a dozen cases in front of the Supreme Court he has to have developed some lawyerly skills even if he had "no work experience."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Cruz is another lawyer with no private work experience that turned to politics. He's also an obstructionist. I truly wonder how he'll do. I'm leaning towards voting for him but I need to research the Dem before I decide.
    Not sure how your last sentence follows from your fist two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxcoug View Post
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/79246.html

    I had paid almost zero attention to the Texas Senate thing until yesterday. I assumed - I shld slap my own face - that Cruz was another Tea Party goon.

    On closer examination, this guy has star power on par w/ Marco Rubio, gives the GOP another anchor for its pitch to Hispanic voters and a future leader on the Republican scene.

    A few highlights from the article:



    One of his Princeton profs weighs in:
    I had the opposite experience with Cruz. I heard his resume first, then heard him speak on his agenda. He still sounded nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxcoug View Post
    I'd appreciate the insights of Texans - cld you elaborate on "obstructionist"? Sometimes a bit of obstructionism is necessary to obstruct bad policy from being implemented.

    Are you suggesting he's a mere bomb-throwing obstructionist or is he a tactical obstructionist?

    Also - if it's accurate that he argued around a dozen cases in front of the Supreme Court he has to have developed some lawyerly skills even if he had "no work experience."
    Because we clearly need more lawyerly skills in Congress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxcoug View Post
    I'd appreciate the insights of Texans - cld you elaborate on "obstructionist"? Sometimes a bit of obstructionism is necessary to obstruct bad policy from being implemented.

    Are you suggesting he's a mere bomb-throwing obstructionist or is he a tactical obstructionist?

    Also - if it's accurate that he argued around a dozen cases in front of the Supreme Court he has to have developed some lawyerly skills even if he had "no work experience."
    His whole campaign was centered on painting Dewhurst as a moderate and to do that he pulled out examples where Dewhurst tried to work with Democrats on certain legislation. Working with the enemy is not allowed in the TEA party movement, and that is the exact group that got Cruz elected (yes, I'm writing off the Dem contender by saying that....because this is Texas). He's an idealogue and it's likely he'll vote that way in the Senate. That works for some people, but for me I prefer pragmatists like Mitt who will pass a bill that benefits all even if it isn't in line with his own personal politics.

    I view the TEA party as a bunch of idealogue obstructionists. This observation is based on the action and rhetoric of many in my ward and many FB friends who belong to the movement.

    Cruz' bio is interesting. Here's some snippets:
    - Harvard law educated
    - Editor of Harvard law review
    - Never worked in the private sector
    - Never owned his own business
    - Has minimal experience in politics
    - Hard core conservative idealogue
    - Backed by the far right wing of the GOP

    He's basically the GOP version of Obama. Maybe that's good to some, but I'm not a fan.

    One other thing, when I was doing some research on the candidates I could not find Cruz' policy positions on his website. It was just full of fluff and soft touchy feely conservative memes. In essence, it had a "hope and change" feel to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxcoug View Post
    Also - if it's accurate that he argued around a dozen cases in front of the Supreme Court he has to have developed some lawyerly skills even if he had "no work experience."
    I don't get this phrase. I didn't say he had no work experience (at least I hope I didn't). I said he hadn't worked in the private sector, or that he hadn't owned his own business. There's a stark difference to running a business and simply litigating cases for a large law firm.

    The problem with Washington is that it's full of lawyers (no offense intended to half the board). I wish it were full of business owners who have experience with regulations, payroll, budgeting, etc. from the perspective of an equity holder, but unfortunately business owners are too busy running their businesses .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Cruz is another lawyer with no private work experience that turned to politics. He's also an obstructionist. I truly wonder how he'll do. I'm leaning towards voting for him but I need to research the Dem before I decide.
    Don't forget to research John Jay Myers because deep down inside you know you are a Libertarian. Plus he isn't yet another one of those lawyers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    I don't get this phrase. I didn't say he had no work experience (at least I hope I didn't). I said he hadn't worked in the private sector, or that he hadn't owned his own business. There's a stark difference to running a business and simply litigating cases for a large law firm.

    The problem with Washington is that it's full of lawyers (no offense intended to half the board). I wish it were full of business owners who have experience with regulations, payroll, budgeting, etc. from the perspective of an equity holder, but unfortunately business owners are too busy running their businesses .
    Did I mention that John Jay Myers owns and runs his own business?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikuman View Post
    Because we clearly need more lawyerly skills in Congress.
    Kind of beside my point which was simply that the guy had clearly practiced law and practiced it well, even if not in the private sector.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxcoug View Post
    Kind of beside my point which was simply that the guy had clearly practiced law and practiced it well, even if not in the private sector.
    You're missing the point. I think we've passed the point where we realize that a group made up mostly of lawyers is not going to improve our situation.
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    I don't necessarily agree with Moliere that he isn't qualified (at least, that's how I'm reading Moliere's comments), but I did vote against Dewhurst because of the disgusting way he handled his campaign.

    I don't think I'd read too much into Cruz's need to paint Dewhurst as a conservative for victory. After all, Mitt had to paint himself as a conservative to knock out his opposition, when his records screams "MODERATE!"

    I'm fairly hopeful that Cruz will make good decisions in the next 6 years (since I think he's got this race in the bag).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    You're missing the point. I think we've passed the point where we realize that a group made up mostly of lawyers is not going to improve our situation.
    Not missing his point at all, just clarifying my own.

    But - since your sentence there is a tad opaque with an oddly placed negative - what are you suggesting? That the disproportionate number of lawyers in govt shld point us to steering clear of electing more of them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikuman View Post
    Dewhurst ran some of the most disgusting attack ads I've ever seen. It was unbelievable. The one where they tried to pin a teen suicide on him was particularly appalling. The one where they were going after him for representing a Chinese company was just plain silly.
    Not to mention trotting out Mike Huckabee in commercials to endorse him [Dewhurst].

    Also, how is practicing law at a large firm and litigating cases not part of the private sector? Just asking as I would think such work experience would count.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paperback Writer View Post
    Not to mention trotting out Mike Huckabee in commercials to endorse him [Dewhurst].

    Also, how is practicing law at a large firm and litigating cases not part of the private sector? Just asking as I would think such work experience would count.
    It's definitely private sector but being a partner at a law firm - and nothing else - leaves a huge gap in terms of business knowledge and acumen, as I and others learned when they went inhouse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    You're missing the point. I think we've passed the point where we realize that a group made up mostly of lawyers is not going to improve our situation.
    But a lot of these lawyers can't hold down jobs otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxcoug View Post
    That the disproportionate number of lawyers in govt shld point us to steering clear of electing more of them?
    I'd prefer those in Congress be somewhat representative of the people. Now I know there's a lot of lawyers in America, but it can't be that skewed. I'd prefer we have people with more practical business experience, maybe some homemakers, and maybe even a blue collar trained worker. Maybe I'm off, but it seems that over 50%, if not much higher, of the people in Congress are lawyers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    I'd prefer those in Congress be somewhat representative of the people. Now I know there's a lot of lawyers in America, but it can't be that skewed. I'd prefer we have people with more practical business experience, maybe some homemakers, and maybe even a blue collar trained worker. Maybe I'm off, but it seems that over 50%, if not much higher, of the people in Congress are lawyers.
    Congress not only represents the citizenry, they legislate laws. I would think a law degree would be a plus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paperback Writer View Post
    Congress not only represents the citizenry, they legislate laws. I would think a law degree would be a plus.
    That's a good thought. Now just take it out to its logical conclusion and then we'll probably be in agreement
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    Watching this guy on Fox News Sunday.

    He's got some very odd facial expressions. And a very sweet voice and delivery.

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    Ted Cruz Admits He Hates Avocados, Is No Longer Fit to Serve Texas

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    Ted Cruz, the Observer has learned, hates avocado.


    Cruz revealed this disturbing truth in an interview with The Des Moines Register in which he admitted that he "despises" avocado and also admitting he "dislikes it passionately." This is extremely distressing and raises major questions about his judgment and abilities to represent the people of the great state of Texas.


    Cruz also said he wasn't serving in office because he desperately needed 99 new friends in the US Senate. Well he might want to think again because guess how many friends he has back home now? None, because Ted Cruz just spit on something we hold dear. Dissing guacamole is a sin against Texas and cannot stand.

    Texans deserves a senator that represents our interests, and Cruz is clearly unfit for such a task because he doesn't even understand the people he is serving. How can you understand Texas if you don't enjoy chips and guacamole on a sunny patio every once and awhile, or if you've never discovered that perfect mix of avocado, lime juice, and salt at home? There was a time in my life when I didn't like guacamole, but I was 10 and then I got over it. Now I couldn't imagine my life without it. It would be like being colorblind but with my mouth. The things we eat literally become part of the cells in our bodies, and Cruz's cells aren't made of any guacamole. Which means I can't trust him. He might as well have been born in Kenya.

    This also explains Cruz's outsider persona. Everyone else in his family loves avocados, yet Ted Cruz stands alone, the sole disdainer of the sacred avocado. I assume he has family members who don't speak to him anymore. Because, let's face it, this is the most mortifying thing Cruz has said or done since being elected to office. And considering the depth and breadth of all that is Cruz, that is saying a lot.
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    http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/city...ates_texas.php

    I'm guessing he learned to hate avocados while he was at that Harvard Law school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/city...ates_texas.php

    I'm guessing he learned to hate avocados while he was at that Harvard Law school.
    Rafael has to make himself as little like the illegal aliens as he can so he can continue to carry the tea party banner.
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    Cruz has a 73% approval rating?



    And Cornyn would lose to a tea party candidate?

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    WTF?

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    How can a Harvard grad understand ordinary people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Cruz has a 73% approval rating?



    And Cornyn would lose to a tea party candidate?

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    WTF?

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    How can a Harvard grad understand ordinary people?

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    Human Events and Gravis Marketing conducted a random survey of 563 registered Republican Texas voters regarding current events.
    Given the population from which the sample was pulled, I'm actually shocked his approval rating is as low as it is.

    The biggest thing that ticks me off about Cruz is that he is slimy on where he stands on issues. His website had no positions on any social issues and really nothing of substance other than the fact he upholds the Constitution. This is deceptive given his socially conservative rhetoric. It's too bad the TEA party had to get usurped by the evangelicals because it would have been really cool to have a fiscally responsible party that was a bit liberal on the social side of things. Oh well, I'll just stay unaffiliated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Cruz has a 73% approval rating?



    And Cornyn would lose to a tea party candidate?

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    WTF?

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    How can a Harvard grad understand ordinary people?

    http://gravismarketing.com/gravis-marketing-poll-ivr/
    I am surprised that Human Events and Gravis Marketing working together found that a tea party candidate was winning! Absolutely shocking!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Given the population from which the sample was pulled, I'm actually shocked his approval rating is as low as it is.

    The biggest thing that ticks me off about Cruz is that he is slimy on where he stands on issues. His website had no positions on any social issues and really nothing of substance other than the fact he upholds the Constitution. This is deceptive given his socially conservative rhetoric. It's too bad the TEA party had to get usurped by the evangelicals because it would have been really cool to have a fiscally responsible party that was a bit liberal on the social side of things. Oh well, I'll just stay unaffiliated.
    Why would it be cool to have a fiscally responsible, but socially liberal party? Is it possible to be fiscally responsible and socially liberal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
    Is it possible to be fiscally responsible and socially liberal?
    Yep.
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