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  • Is that pizza place Slab still around? If so, Thanks, Provo! That was legit.
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    • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
      That was my first reaction. But if you could create a large mass of premium real estate in the middle of one of the fast growing places in the nation? Might be able to pull it off.
      I'm not saying the proposed project is a pipe dream. I'm saying that if it's going to take $6B to dredge the lake an average of 1-2 feet, then dredging it 5-10' is a pipe dream.
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      • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
        That was my first reaction. But if you could create a large mass of premium real estate in the middle of one of the fast growing places in the nation? Might be able to pull it off.
        Yeah... and California might actually have an high speed train that is fast and under budget too!
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        "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
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        • This is a private project. If you were a true libertarian you would be all for it.
          "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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          • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
            This is a private project. If you were a true libertarian you would be all for it.
            In that case... they might be able to pull it off and be featured on an upcoming episode of Megastructures!

            "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
            "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
            "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
            GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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            • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
              Where did you get that number?

              I have looked at the details in a while, but some areas will be dredged deeper than others. It involves causeways to deal with winds and currents. The dredged material will be used to build up the land. Also, the state already has a dredging project that is launching soon. All the harbors and surrounding areas will be dredged first.
              I pulled it right out of my arse. The boating experience would . be much better if the thing were 12-20' deep. Especially wake surfing which is about all anyone wants to do anymore.

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              • Originally posted by Shaka View Post
                I pulled it right out of my arse. The boating experience would . be much better if the thing were 12-20' deep. Especially wake surfing which is about all anyone wants to do anymore.
                Yes dredging uniformly by that amount would not make much of a difference. Which is exactly why nobody’s going to spend $6 billion to do that.
                "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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                • Adobe isn't in Provo, it's in Lehi. Just sayin'...

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                  • Originally posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
                    Adobe isn't in Provo, it's in Lehi. Just sayin'...
                    Provo METRO area. So, yes, Adobe is in Provo (MSA)

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                    • Originally posted by clackamascoug View Post
                      I'm no Phd ground water management... but in a nutshell... the deeper the water of a fresh water lake, the healthier it is... Utah Lake is so filled with silt, that it's pristine nature has diminished over time. If you tripled the depth of the lake with dredging, and put an Indian Casino in the middle of it (to pay for it)... stock the lake with Native German Browns... the lake would return to a pristine state for a couple of centuries.
                      I assume the buildup of silt has been occurring for the past 10,000 years, but has this been compounded by human activity over the past 150 years? According to some article I read years ago, cutthroat trout was quite common in the lake when the Mormon settlers arrived. But I can't imagine trout thriving in the warm murky water. So it must have been deeper 150 years ago.

                      I realize that dredging the lake to 20 feet deep is a budgetary pipe dream, but if Utah Lake was a "pristine" freshwater lake there would literally be no better place to live... given that the pollution problem is solved.

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                      • Originally posted by USUC View Post
                        I assume the buildup of silt has been occurring for the past 10,000 years, but has this been compounded by human activity over the past 150 years? According to some article I read years ago, cutthroat trout was quite common in the lake when the Mormon settlers arrived. But I can't imagine trout thriving in the warm murky water. So it must have been deeper 150 years ago.

                        I realize that dredging the lake to 20 feet deep is a budgetary pipe dream, but if Utah Lake was a "pristine" freshwater lake there would literally be no better place to live... given that the pollution problem is solved.
                        I don't think the depth has changed much. You get a lot of phosphates and nitrates that run into the lake and cause algae. Also, invasive species of fish.
                        "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                        "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                        "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                        • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                          I don't think the depth has changed much. You get a lot of phosphates and nitrates that run into the lake and cause algae. Also, invasive species of fish.
                          Thats what I was asking about above. How does dredging and building causeways, etc., eliminate the problem from nitrates and phosphates?
                          PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                          • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                            I don't think the depth has changed much. You get a lot of phosphates and nitrates that run into the lake and cause algae. Also, invasive species of fish.
                            I am not sure who thought it was a good idea to throw in some carp (back in 1800's) but that is like 90% of the fish now in that lake. Not to mention the city of Provo was still dumping raw sewage into that lake late into the 60's. It is pretty messed up, Dude.
                            "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                            "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                            "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                            GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                            • Originally posted by USUC View Post
                              I assume the buildup of silt has been occurring for the past 10,000 years, but has this been compounded by human activity over the past 150 years? According to some article I read years ago, cutthroat trout was quite common in the lake when the Mormon settlers arrived. But I can't imagine trout thriving in the warm murky water. So it must have been deeper 150 years ago.

                              I realize that dredging the lake to 20 feet deep is a budgetary pipe dream, but if Utah Lake was a "pristine" freshwater lake there would literally be no better place to live... given that the pollution problem is solved.
                              Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                              I am not sure who thought it was a good idea to throw in some carp (back in 1800's) but that is like 90% of the fish now in that lake. Not to mention the city of Provo was still dumping raw sewage into that lake late into the 60's. It is pretty messed up, Dude.
                              I went to the Utah Lake festival a few years ago and what the DWR people there told me was that when the pioneers moved into the valley, they decided to plant carp in Utah lake as a food source. Little did they know that the carp would tear up the bottom of the lake, eat the plants off the bottom that help filter things, and make the lake a poor habitat for the trout and june suckers that lived there.

                              So that's the story - it isn't necessarily about the depth of the water as far as why it's murky now. It has more to do with the carp. And - I suppose - there could be added elements from pollution over that time as well. But, from what they were describing to me, the biggest "pollutant" was the pioneers who put those carp in there to begin with.

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                              • Damnit, this thread has sent me down too many Utah Lake rabbit holes this morning while I should be working. As Uncle Ted noted, the carp are by far the biggest problem to the health of the lake. As of last year, this was the status of the almost decade old plan to remove 5 million pounds of carp a year. http://www.heraldextra.com/news/loca...23385f3af.html

                                Carp are 90% of the biomass of the lake? That is absolutely insane. Carp are an issue all over the world, hasn't anyone come up with some sort of genetically engineered carp to release and seal their impending doom?

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