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I told him he was a goddamn Nazi Stormtrooper.
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Originally posted by Dwight Schr-ute View PostI'm sure this still gets debated frequently is certain corners. Did he really wait?! I think he did. I also think that it didn't matter. Armstrong was unstoppable that day. (If you don't remember, this was in 2003 when Armstrong's handlebars snagged on a spectators bibon, causing him to crash. Armstrong later returned the favor on a descent (I believe the following Tour) where Ullrich missed a turn and went into a ditch. In the end, Ullrich won more Tour's than Armstrong, so there's that.
I am not offended that the rule exists nor that it was applied here. I think the real problem is that the jury was required to penalize 2 minutes and 200 francs. They should be given more discretion to decide the appropriate penalty. Here, for example, an appropriate penalty might be based on the time that was saved between 'Clarkie's' gesture and the moment Team Sky mechanics (or a teammate) would likely have shown up.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by creekster View PostThis notion of gentlemanly rules is very fluid. They do exist, but their contours and limits vary a lot from tour to tour depending on the overall standings and upon the personality (and standing) of le Patron. In Armstrong's years, for example, he absolutely ruled things, so there was some waiting, probably, and he did wait for Ulrich, but it was pretty much his choice. Neither of those examples came at <7k to go when the bunch was winding up for the finish. Plus, even with the wheel change Richie lost 47 seconds at the line. So even though the 2 minute penalty really puts him in an insurmountable hole, the 47 seconds would have hurt him anyway. Moreover, and Hood's article makes this point, they simply broke the rules in an unambiguous and obvious fashion and were rather open and vocal about it. (Porte even bragging about the aid on twitter, although he didn't realize it was illegal when he did so).
I am not offended that the rule exists nor that it was applied here. I think the real problem is that the jury was required to penalize 2 minutes and 200 francs. They should be given more discretion to decide the appropriate penalty. Here, for example, an appropriate penalty might be based on the time that was saved between 'Clarkie's' gesture and the moment Team Sky mechanics (or a teammate) would likely have shown up."Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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Originally posted by creekster View PostThis notion of gentlemanly rules is very fluid. They do exist, but their contours and limits vary a lot from tour to tour depending on the overall standings and upon the personality (and standing) of le Patron.
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Originally posted by bluegoose View PostIt still bothers me to think about Contador blatantly ignoring these unwritten rules a few years ago when Andy Schleck had a mechanical at an inopportune time toward the top of a climb when the GC hung in balance between the two. Not waiting is one thing, but to obviously attack when your main rival is trying to put a dropped chain back on is pretty poor form.
As to Contador I have come around on him. I used to really dislike him but now I find myself hoping he does well. No idea why and it surprises me.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by RC Vikings View PostMaybe it's because he looks so good on a bike."Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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Contador gets involved in a crash on stage 13, which leads to him losing his lead and the pink jersey. It happened right outside the 3km zone, which was interesting given what happened to Porte with the puncture. Looks like Contador's right arm was fine and it really hasn't been bothering him much since the dislocation.
Then Contador comes back today and demolishes Aru and Porte on the time trial, even catching and passing Meana. Porte fell way back, even out of the top ten. I know he had hopes of contending in this thing, but he seems so inconsistent. He seems to always have a couple bad days.
It seems no one will really be able to challenge Contador the rest of the way. They'll be in the mountains and I doubt any attack will give anyone enough time to overtake him. I hope Contador finishes off the Giro with a sizeable lead since the real battle will be in le tour with Froome and Quintana.
Originally posted by RC Vikings View PostMaybe it's because he looks so good on a bike."Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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Contador was amazing again today. He punctured on a descent and Astana attacked, contravening the gentlemen code we discussed earlier in this thread. Contador was out by about a minute at the bottom of the penultimate climb and also lacked any teammates to help him. He then swept up the climb, passing other riders one by one, essentially turning the challenge into an uphill time trial. He caught Aru and then dropped him immediately. Eventually he put in a couple of more minutes into Aru although the new Astana leader has to be Landa, who ended up winning the stage 40 seconds ahead of Contador's third place.
Contador has this race by the throat. There are still some important stages to come but, barring a catastrophe, Contador should win.
It was interesting to me that when he punctured Contador was handed a wheel by Ivan Basso, whose bike had the same gearing. This allowed Contador to limit his time loss. Not many years ago Basso would have been the team leader but now is a domestique. Such is the result of time and likely less EPO.
Several riders were highly critical of Astana for attacking Contador when he punctured. Froome (who is not riding the Giro) even tweeted as it was happening that it was an improper attack. Team Astana was not popular before this day; the attack here will do nothing to help their image.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Has anybody purchased Shimano electronic shifters?"Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."
Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.
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Originally posted by Joe Public View PostA couple of guys I know have it. They love it. I don't see myself shelling out for it any time soon.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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