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    Quote Originally Posted by New Mexican Disaster View Post
    Maybe my son will get to do scouting after all. If they get rid of their lame gay ban, then he could do it. Of course, that might have the church drop it, just so that we could have more inanity to deal with.
    This. I might have my boys join a troop is they did this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paperback Writer View Post
    Made a minor but important clarification.

    If the church does "dump" the scouting program, I wonder if they would allow local units to sponsor troops. In other words, scouting is replaced by Duty to God or some other program but local leadership still allows a BSA troop to meet in the ward building (basically a sponsor).

    That would open up some interesting possibiliteis - like freedom of choice to join any local LDS sponsored troop. That would be awesome. The YM and parents who really want to participate in scouting would eventually migrate to a troop that has it together and could set parental expectations accordingly. No more Moms slowing down the Mo battlewagon just enough to kick their YM out before peeling back out of the church parking lot.

    Or the LDS families that want to do scouting could all join the local Methodist BSA troop.
    I disagree with your amendment. Scouting--even as administered in non-LDS troops--is an antiquated system that hasn't kept up with the times, despite its efforts to do just that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    I disagree with your amendment. Scouting--even as administered in non-LDS troops--is an antiquated system that hasn't kept up with the times, despite its efforts to do just that.
    I disagree. Until recently I was on the board of our council (the token Mormon). I didn't enjoy the job -- it was all about fund-raising -- but I can tell you Scouting is very focused on adapting to the times. In our area a lot of very effective things are being done, but not with the LDS troops because our system is so unique, compared to the rest of Scouting. (Also, we change and adapt verrrry slowly.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahDan View Post
    There is a religion merit badge, no? That is much more of a lifestyle choice than being gay is.
    It appears that there is not a religion merit badge...but there are some doozys.

    http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/...ritBadges.aspx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paperback Writer View Post
    Or the LDS families that want to do scouting could all join the local Methodist BSA troop.
    Which they can already do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I disagree. Until recently I was on the board of our council (the token Mormon). I didn't enjoy the job -- it was all about fund-raising -- but I can tell you Scouting is very focused on adapting to the times. In our area a lot of very effective things are being done, but not with the LDS troops because our system is so unique, compared to the rest of Scouting. (Also, we change and adapt verrrry slowly.)
    Yeah, no better way to adapt to our times than having an old, antiquated fart on your council
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Yeah, no better way to adapt to our times than having an old, antiquated fart on your council
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    Quote Originally Posted by atheistcougar View Post
    Which they can already do...
    Correct. And my family growing up had personal experience with it. It did not go over well in my ward when my Mom got fed up with the poor support scouting received and enrolled my younger brother in a Lutheran troop.

    I was thinking about doing the same with my sons when they reached scouting age but my Bishop talked me out of it. However, I wish I would have gone ahead with it after the ward split and I ended up in a ward that has not supported scouting very well under a by-the-handbook Bishop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    I disagree with your amendment. Scouting--even as administered in non-LDS troops--is an antiquated system that hasn't kept up with the times, despite its efforts to do just that.
    I agree with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    It appears that there is not a religion merit badge...but there are some doozys.

    http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/...ritBadges.aspx
    It's a shame the BSA discontinued the Rabbit Raising merit badge in an effort to stay with the times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    It's a shame the BSA discontinued the Rabbit Raising merit badge in an effort to stay with the times.
    I earned the Rabbit Raising merit badge. That's the last of my money FOS will ever get!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelBlue View Post
    I earned the Rabbit Raising merit badge.


    Prove it. Please explain the use of your breed, and know about one breed used for meat, one for fur, and one for wool.
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    Does BYU still have a scouting degree?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripletDaddy View Post


    Prove it. Please explain the use of your breed, and know about one breed used for meat, one for fur, and one for wool.
    Sorry, I was in an LDS troop. I half assed it and don't remember anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    It's a shame the BSA discontinued the Rabbit Raising merit badge in an effort to stay with the times.
    Some of these are pretty funny: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discont...uts_of_America)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    lol @ Stalking.

    They actually brought that one back for 2010 as Tracking. I know a couple of kids that did it.
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    If the Boy Scouts are serious about keeping homosexuals away, they should forget the policies and focus their time revisiting the uniform: mid thigh length shorts, knee high socks, berets, epaulettes, scarves, brightly colored patches and beads, belt ornaments.....the entire outfit is an overdose of sartorial pheromones for gay men. Would you get upset at the hummingbird for hanging around your bird feeder that is filled with sweet fruity nectar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripletDaddy View Post
    If the Boy Scouts are serious about keeping homosexuals away, they should forget the policies and focus their time revisiting the uniform: mid thigh length shorts, knee high socks, berets, epaulettes, scarves, brightly colored patches and beads, belt ornaments.....the entire outfit is an overdose of sartorial pheromones for gay men. Would you get upset at the hummingbird for hanging around your bird feeder that is filled with sweet fruity nectar?
    3D stereotyping gays. Not unlike he thinks all blacks would rather have an NBA team than a great symphony orchestra in their town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    lol @ Stalking.

    They actually brought that one back for 2010 as Tracking. I know a couple of kids that did it.
    One of my sons earned the Tracking MB a couple of years ago when it was brought back for 2010 only. Now I'm disappointed it didn't keep its original name of Stalking. That would have been cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    3D stereotyping gays. Not unlike he thinks all blacks would rather have an NBA team than a great symphony orchestra in their town.
    All Blacks prefer rugby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    3D stereotyping gays. Not unlike he thinks all blacks would rather have an NBA team than a great symphony orchestra in their town.
    That would be truly silly. Why would New Zealand rugby players want an NBA team?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DU Ute View Post
    All Blacks prefer rugby.
    @#%$. Beat me to it.
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    This reminds me of a Letterman Top 10 list of "Least Popular Merit Badges", with a few comprising a salute to gay stereotyping:

    10. Spit craft
    9. Sitting in fire
    8. Judy Garland lore
    7. Throat clearing
    6. Shallow grave maintenance
    5. Afternoon with Linda Lavin
    4. Trouser tenting
    3. Gatlin brother identification
    2. Heimliching squirrels
    1. Choreography

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Since this is a rated-R movie I'll once again explain your reference since I'm sure you haven't seen the film. This is from the movie Gran Torino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All-American View Post
    @#%$. Beat me to it.
    Also, I had a better response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueintheface View Post
    Since this is a rated-R movie I'll once again explain your reference since I'm sure you haven't seen the film. This is from the movie Gran Torino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    I disagree with your amendment. Scouting--even as administered in non-LDS troops--is an antiquated system that hasn't kept up with the times, despite its efforts to do just that.
    Stop it! It is the Lord's Anointed's chosen program for young men. If there was anything wrong with it, the Lord would have told his Anointed over breakfast or something. The fact that he hasn't means there is nothing wrong Scouting. Get in line! You apostate!

    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I disagree. Until recently I was on the board of our council (the token Mormon). I didn't enjoy the job -- it was all about fund-raising -- but I can tell you Scouting is very focused on adapting to the times. In our area a lot of very effective things are being done, but not with the LDS troops because our system is so unique, compared to the rest of Scouting. (Also, we change and adapt verrrry slowly.)
    It is impossible for other troops to remain relevant and change in beneficial ways while we are frozen in a moribund embrace of 1950's America. If this were true, you would expect to see a slavish devotion to the 1950s in other aspects of the Church. Like our dress requirements or expectations for hair and grooming or hyminal or political outlook and policy preferences. . . oh nevermind.

    This is the Lord's Church! He is at its head! Our system is unique because it is the only true and living system on the face of the earth with which the Lord is well pleased. He is unpleased with all these innovations. If God wanted innovations, he would have someone younger than 80 be his President of the Corporation/Prophet, Seer, Revelator. (Is he a Seer under the BofM defination?--Don't get distracted! Just believe!) God doesn't want innovations. Stay the course, do what is right (traditional, from the 1950s) let the consequence follow. All together now, in the minor chord, "Follow the Prophet, Follow the Prophet, He knows the way. . . "

    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    This reminds me of a Letterman Top 10 list of "Least Popular Merit Badges", with a few comprising a salute to gay stereotyping:

    10. Spit craft
    9. Sitting in fire
    8. Judy Garland lore
    7. Throat clearing
    6. Shallow grave maintenance
    5. Afternoon with Linda Lavin
    4. Trouser tenting
    3. Gatlin brother identification
    2. Heimliching squirrels
    1. Choreography
    The master has spoken.

    (Who is Sister Lavin?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rambam View Post
    BTW you will appreciate that I am good friends with a guy who just found out that he had a secret cousin (grandma had adoption baby, big family secret) who is the mother of Dita Von Tease and just enjoyed her burlesque show in Vegas a few weekends ago. And because Sister Dita was married to Marilyn Manson, you are now only five degrees of separation from Mr. Manson: PAC->Rambam->Rambam's buddy->cousin/mom of Dita->Dita->Manson. Yeah! I thought that would make your day.
    Did you say something after Dita Von Tease? I got distracted...

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    There has been some BSA emails circulating recently about the following...

    PORTLAND, Oregon (Reuters) - The Oregon Supreme Court on Thursday ordered the release of 20,000 pages of confidential Boy Scouts of America records, dubbed the "perversion files," documenting suspected or confirmed sexual abuse by the group's leaders and volunteers.

    The state high court ruled that the names of the victims and those who reported abuse be redacted before the six cartons of documents are made available to the public. Attorneys said it was not immediately clear whether the identities of accused perpetrators would remain secret.

    [...]

    Last year, four Oregon men sued the Boy Scouts in separate cases for more than $5 million each over childhood sexual abuse they say they suffered at the hands of a known pedophile who was their scoutmaster in the 1970s.
    Wasn't that scoutmaster LDS?
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