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Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss
There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock
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Originally posted by TripletDaddy View PostI wonder why it is an issue for Mo scouts at all? What percentage of Mo scout troops/varsity units are headed by someone in the ward that is called by the Bishop? In other words, no OUT gay man will be heading up a Mo troop anytime soon."Friendship is the grand fundamental principle of Mormonism" - Joseph Smith Jr.
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Originally posted by TripletDaddy View PostI wonder why it is an issue for Mo scouts at all? What percentage of Mo scout troops/varsity units are headed by someone in the ward that is called by the Bishop? In other words, no OUT gay man will be heading up a Mo troop anytime soon.“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Originally posted by Sullyute View PostIs there an unwritten (or possibly written) rule that people who experience SSA cannot serve in the young mens or young womans organization?
I do recall a few years ago that there was an emphasis on new members of a ward not being called to those positions until the Bishop got to know the individuals a little better.
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Originally posted by TripletDaddy View PostI wonder why it is an issue for Mo scouts at all? What percentage of Mo scout troops/varsity units are headed by someone in the ward that is called by the Bishop? In other words, no OUT gay man will be heading up a Mo troop anytime soon.Originally posted by Donuthole View PostIt's an issue of association, not implementation.
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Originally posted by Jacob View PostI'm with DDD. It's not like the BSA is encouraging being gay or even much approving of it. They are only considering lifting a ban of a form of participation. As the church encourages participation of its gay members, I'm not sure a minor change like the one suggested would cause the Church to sever its ties. It would be a pretty frivolous excuse.Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss
There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock
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Originally posted by Surfah View PostWe share the same opinion.“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Originally posted by LA Ute View PostI don't agree, but I can see why you feel that way. Done right, LDS Scouting can be wonderful. It's rarely done right, however, and I am not sure that can be changed.
LDS scouting also sucks when it comes to budget and funding but that has been rehashed thoroughly in other threads"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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Originally posted by Scorcho View PostI know the LDS Church does want Bishops to closer examine those individuals called to any positions dealing with youth, but I don't know if there is a specific set of guidelines.
I do recall a few years ago that there was an emphasis on new members of a ward not being called to those positions until the Bishop got to know the individuals a little better.“Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory.”
"All things are measured against Nebraska." falafel
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Originally posted by TripletDaddy View PostI wonder why it is an issue for Mo scouts at all? What percentage of Mo scout troops/varsity units are headed by someone in the ward that is called by the Bishop? In other words, no OUT gay man will be heading up a Mo troop anytime soon.
The BSA should have the guts to right this wrong and the Church should stay out of the way."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
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Originally posted by Donuthole View PostYou agree with me as well, then. I never said I had an issue with the association. But I think the church will. Selfishly, I hope they will. Scouting is a dry well as currently implemented by LDS.
If the church does "dump" the scouting program, I wonder if they would allow local units to sponsor troops. In other words, scouting is replaced by Duty to God or some other program but local leadership still allows a BSA troop to meet in the ward building (basically a sponsor).
That would open up some interesting possibiliteis - like freedom of choice to join any local LDS sponsored troop. That would be awesome. The YM and parents who really want to participate in scouting would eventually migrate to a troop that has it together and could set parental expectations accordingly. No more Moms slowing down the Mo battlewagon just enough to kick their YM out before peeling back out of the church parking lot.
Or the LDS families that want to do scouting could all join the local Methodist BSA troop.“Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory.”
"All things are measured against Nebraska." falafel
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