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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
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    I am sure I am getting a bit jaded, but this is based on my observations of young adults entering the work force as we staffed our rapidly growing company over the past several years.

    Gross over generalizations resulting from my experience:
    • Early 20's women - motivated, confident, energetic, excited about the future.
    • Early 20's men - unmotivated, lazy, going through the motions, little hope for the future.

    Something in our society seems to be damaging our young men. I don't have the answers, these are just my observations. Boys used to love outdoor activities and scouting was a a good way to fill this desire. It seems that the things that were the draw for boys to scouting no longer have the same appeal. I think it will be a big draw for lots of girls.

    I sincerely hope you are right. Boys don't need to like scouting, but they sure seem to need something that is currently missing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowcat View Post
    I am sure I am getting a bit jaded, but this is based on my observations of young adults entering the work force as we staffed our rapidly growing company over the past several years.

    Gross over generalizations resulting from my experience:
    • Early 20's women - motivated, confident, energetic, excited about the future.
    • Early 20's men - unmotivated, lazy, going through the motions, little hope for the future.

    Something in our society seems to be damaging our young men. I don't have the answers, these are just my observations. Boys used to love outdoor activities and scouting was a a good way to fill this desire. It seems that the things that were the draw for boys to scouting no longer have the same appeal. I think it will be a big draw for lots of girls.

    I sincerely hope you are right. Boys don't need to like scouting, but they sure seem to need something that is currently missing.
    BSA is an outdated paramilitary youth organization. They will continue to lose more and more boys. A few girls may sign up, but there is no way it will be a significant number. No way will that appeal to girls. For the few that genuinely want to do scouting, they already have girl scouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowcat View Post
    Something in our society seems to be damaging our young men.
    Don't you listen to conference?! It is porn. Porn is damaging our young men!
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    Everyone on CS should read Robert Glover's No More Mr. Nice Guy.

    It can be a life changer for young men (and for older men, for that matter).

    https://www.amazon.com/No-More-Mr-Ni...e+Mr.+Nice+Guy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
    Everyone on CS should read Robert Glover's No More Mr. Nice Guy.

    It can be a life changer for young men (and for older men, for that matter).

    https://www.amazon.com/No-More-Mr-Ni...e+Mr.+Nice+Guy
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    Donald Jr just doesn't get it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    BSA is an outdated paramilitary youth organization. They will continue to lose more and more boys. A few girls may sign up, but there is no way it will be a significant number. No way will that appeal to girls. For the few that genuinely want to do scouting, they already have girl scouts.
    Yeah, the church needs to replace the BSA with online video game hang-outs as the activity arm for YM/YW. Video games prepare our youth for the future...

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    "If we do nothing we'll be substantially behind (other Power leagues) a decade from now." -Bob Bowlsby on Big 12 expansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    BSA is an outdated paramilitary youth organization. They will continue to lose more and more boys. A few girls may sign up, but there is no way it will be a significant number. No way will that appeal to girls. For the few that genuinely want to do scouting, they already have girl scouts.
    Sometimes I miss your sarcasm. If you’re being serious, the irony and lack of self-awareness in this statement is hilarious. If only the BSA were trying as hard as the LDS Church and BYU to be progressive!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Sometimes I miss your sarcasm. If you’re being serious, the irony and lack of self-awareness in this statement is hilarious. If only the BSA were trying as hard as the LDS Church and BYU to be progressive!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
    I can’t tell if your post is sarcastic or not.
    No doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Sometimes I miss your sarcasm. If you’re being serious, the irony and lack of self-awareness in this statement is hilarious. If only the BSA were trying as hard as the LDS Church and BYU to be progressive!
    Also, I resent the implication that I am no longer capable of sarcasm!
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    I don't know, I would have loved having girls around on camp outs when I was 12 and 13, probably also when I was 11. Since no one continues with Scouts after the age of 13, it's not worth mentioning how awesome it would have been to have scout camp outs with the girls when you're 14-17/18.
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Girl Scouts are pissed.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/girl-scouts...ry?id=50433448

    The Girl Scouts of the USA has issued a blistering rebuke of the Boy Scouts of America's decision to begin letting girls into the ranks of its troops.

    "The Boy Scouts' house is on fire," Girl Scouts told ABC News in a statement today. "Instead of addressing systemic issues of continuing sexual assault, financial mismanagement and deficient programming, BSA's senior management wants to add an accelerant to the house fire by recruiting girls."
    "Girl Scouts is the best girl leadership organization in the world, created with and for girls," the organization wrote in the post. "We believe strongly in the importance of the all-girl, girl-led, and girl-friendly environment that Girl Scouts provides, which creates a free space for girls to learn and thrive."

    It continued, "The benefit of the single-gender environment has been well-documented by educators, scholars, other girl- and youth-serving organizations, and Girl Scouts and their families. Girl Scouts offers a one-of-a-kind experience for girls with a program tailored specifically to their unique developmental needs."
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowcat View Post
    I think it is an odd analogy to use, comparing adding girls to throwing gas on a fire. What?
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowcat View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    I think it is an odd analogy to use, comparing adding girls to throwing gas on a fire. What?
    Well, come on, if we're being totally honest . . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    So interesting to watch. I don't know how much of what the GSofUSA is saying is true, but BSA is clearly trying to take steps to increase membership (which is likely falling, and should the LDS pull out, that will be a huge hit). Knowing that the LDS wouldn't be happy with this move, I wonder if BSA is anticipating an eventual pull out anyway, so is making this move now.
    Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Next, the atheists...

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    I've had two daughters do girl scouts. Besides a few crafting activities, they spent the vast majority of their time raising funds for the national organization while being allowed to keep a relatively small percentage (usually used to pay for more crafting). I don't recall a lot of (any?) leadership opportunities that didn't involve raising those funds. I was never impressed with the program offered, though I appreciated the local moms who implemented it.

    I'm also not a BSA fan, but I think their program offers much more to a participant who wants to put in the work. I tend to agree with Lebowski though that there won't be a lot of takers.

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