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    Scanning this thread makes me realize what a pleasure it is to be in a conference where there is universal mutual respect and affection. Pulling for the other pac 12 teams in the NCAA tournament and the bowls has been the natural thing to do. i don't miss the irrestible and inevitable resentment and schadenfreude among MWC schools. Poor havenot bastards.
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    LOL

    Keep thinking that. They "respect" you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy Coug View Post
    Once Utah and TCU left the MWC, the ship sailed on the MWC. If the MWC had retained, BYU, Utah and TCU, it would be a very solid conference when you throw in Boise St with SDSU and AFA as decent complimentary programs. If that group could have worked out a better TV package, THEN it would have been a better option than independence right now. None of those things happened or will happen, so the MWC is just another college football graveyard.
    I agree completely.

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    Oh man BYU is so screwed. There are no good options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Scanning this thread makes me realize what a pleasure it is to be in a conference where there is universal mutual respect and affection. Pulling for the other pac 12 teams in the NCAA tournament and the bowls has been the natural thing to do. i don't miss the irrestible and inevitable resentment and schadenfreude among MWC schools. Poor havenot bastards.
    lol. Best exemplified by HuskyFreeNorthwest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Scanning this thread makes me realize what a pleasure it is to be in a conference where there is universal mutual respect and affection. Pulling for the other pac 12 teams in the NCAA tournament and the bowls has been the natural thing to do. i don't miss the irrestible and inevitable resentment and schadenfreude among MWC schools. Poor havenot bastards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Scanning this thread makes me realize what a pleasure it is to be in a conference where there is universal mutual respect and affection. Pulling for the other pac 12 teams in the NCAA tournament and the bowls has been the natural thing to do. i don't miss the irrestible and inevitable resentment and schadenfreude among MWC schools. Poor havenot bastards.
    "Scanning". Heh.

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    Is that kind of like a basketball playoff?
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    He just gets fatter. Don't feed him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Scanning this thread makes me realize what a pleasure it is to be in a conference where there is universal mutual respect and affection. Pulling for the other pac 12 teams in the NCAA tournament and the bowls has been the natural thing to do. i don't miss the irrestible and inevitable resentment and schadenfreude among MWC schools. Poor havenot bastards.

    LOL, I think you are misusing the word "Universal". That being said, excellent troll, it got me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Scanning this thread makes me realize what a pleasure it is to be in a conference where there is universal mutual respect and affection. Pulling for the other pac 12 teams in the NCAA tournament and the bowls has been the natural thing to do. i don't miss the irrestible and inevitable resentment and schadenfreude among MWC schools. Poor havenot bastards.
    Seems like a good time to post this. Also I love the way the student in the ref outfit walks up and asks for the real refs to throw him the ball.


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    Someone on CB was asking about Title IX and the new autonomy provisions the NCAA just approved. Got me thinking, if BYU (or any achool) offers other inducements to their players, doesn't Title IX mandate that those benefits have to extend to all scholarships athletes? For example, if BYU football players get a $5000 stipend, doesn't the women's gymnastics team have to get the same deal?

    If that is true, and BYU remains in the WCC, does the WCC allow BYU to pay their athletes while other schools don't? Wouldn't this create an uneven playing field? Are USF and Clara going to be OK with BYU paying their players, while they don't?

    I know, a lot of assumptions here. I was just wondering if the new NCAA autonomy measures will create an untenable situation with the WCC. Does that mean that BYU would have to move all sports towards independence? Join a league like the AAC or MWC that might be willing to take us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by San Juan Sun View Post
    Someone on CB was asking about Title IX and the new autonomy provisions the NCAA just approved. Got me thinking, if BYU (or any achool) offers other inducements to their players, doesn't Title IX mandate that those benefits have to extend to all scholarships athletes? For example, if BYU football players get a $5000 stipend, doesn't the women's gymnastics team have to get the same deal?

    If that is true, and BYU remains in the WCC, does the WCC allow BYU to pay their athletes while other schools don't? Wouldn't this create an uneven playing field? Are USF and Clara going to be OK with BYU paying their players, while they don't?

    I know, a lot of assumptions here. I was just wondering if the new NCAA autonomy measures will create an untenable situation with the WCC. Does that mean that BYU would have to move all sports towards independence? Join a league like the AAC or MWC that might be willing to take us?
    I'm not a Title IX expert, but I think BYU would have a good defense that the discrepancy isn't between men and women, its between football and WCC sports, and therefore that there is not discriminatory intent. That is probably enough to rebut the disparate impact argument.

    If BYU has any women's sports that aren't part of the WCC and whatever conference they are in let BYU fund those sports more, than BYU would be golden.
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    The only problem is that BYU will need to keep up in basketball as well. P5 basketball schools will want to take advantage of these rules also. Any P5 school that wants to compete will need to step up too. If Duke, North Carolina, and Kentucky are offering more to attract recruits, then Arizona and UCLA will want to offer more too (and Uncle Phil isn't going to let Oregon be left behind). Grandpa Spence salivates at any chance he can take to one-up BYU, so Utah will offer more for basketball players as well, I'm sure. This will mean that BYU will have to offer the same benefits as Utah if they want to win any recruiting battles.

    Unfortunately Gonzaga is the only other WCC school that will want to keep up, and have the resources to do it. St. Mary's, and possibly a couple of other schools, might want to keep up, but they won't be able to do it. So Gonzaga and BYU better start figuring this out before the BYU-Alpine pipeline dries up.

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    Looks like some MWC teams might not be able to keep up.

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    Hawaii's a storied program. that would be too bad for them if that happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USUC View Post
    Looks like some MWC teams might not be able to keep up.

    "@McMurphyESPN: Hawaii AD Ben Jay tells regents "real possibility of football going away” because of UH $2.1M deficit, KITV reports"
    I'm sure their travel costs are a big part of this.
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    Just dusting off this old thread in case we need it in the near future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by San Juan Sun View Post
    Just dusting off this old thread in case we need it in the near future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Oh man BYU is so screwed. There are no good options.
    SWISH!
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    SU feeling really emboldened by that 2 seed. I don't blame you, SU. Congrats!
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    SU, which PAC 12 team are your rooting for? All of them? Or just Arizona?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    SU feeling really emboldened by that 2 seed. I don't blame you, SU. Congrats!
    Wait until he finds out it's a 2 seed in the NIT. Lol.

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    If GU goes to MWC, I think the best option is for BYU to recruit BSU and head to the AAC. We're not getting a P5 invite, so why not make the best non-P5 conference even better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    If GU goes to MWC, I think the best option is for BYU to recruit BSU and head to the AAC. We're not getting a P5 invite, so why not make the best non-P5 conference even better?
    I’m more and more leaning this way. The MWC is crap. It’s basketball even sucks now. AAC b-ball is very good and football is decent compared to the MWC. It would be a bit of an awkward fit with the travel, but BYU already travels like crazy for independence so not much would change.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    If GU goes to MWC, I think the best option is for BYU to recruit BSU and head to the AAC. We're not getting a P5 invite, so why not make the best non-P5 conference even better?
    I think this is a decent idea. If Gonzaga leaves, we're effed. At that point, if we need to, we need be ready to drop independence in football and let our football program win us the best spot possible. Football rules the day in conference affiliation. So we should maximize that advantage for all sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    I think this is a decent idea. If Gonzaga leaves, we're effed. At that point, if we need to, we need be ready to drop independence in football and let our football program win us the best spot possible. Football rules the day in conference affiliation. So we should maximize that advantage for all sports.
    Football affiliation would lead to more balanced football scheduling, IMO and give a glimpse to where BYU football stands vis-a-vis programs with similar resources. The resource gap is leading to such a huge difference between those with a seat at the table and those without. Trying to be something in-between is not going to work for BYU, or anyone else. Cut down the games against power teams to 3 a year instead of 5. Try to get one shitty power team in that 3 and hope that one of the other two ends up having a shitty year. With some consistency against teams in whichever conference BYU joins that gives a chance of top 25 rankings and some semblance of national relevancy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    If GU goes to MWC, I think the best option is for BYU to recruit BSU and head to the AAC. We're not getting a P5 invite, so why not make the best non-P5 conference even better?
    I've been feeling the AAC for a couple years now. We need to do something before even the shitty conferences would be pressured not to let in a BYU.

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    I get why fans don't like this development, but it's not obvious to me that the BYU administration would view this as a very negative development. Sure, there is pass through via fans becoming less interested. So if they think that effect is big, they may be worried, but I'm guessing they don't expect much of a dropoff in interest. My sense of BYU administration is they are almost always happy to lose revenue on the margin for more control, influence, or freedom to do things their way or get their way on the margin. So you lose some prestige in men's and women's basketball with the Zags leaving and not much in other sports. Doesn't the marginal gain in influence and control offset those other loses for the powers that be at BYU?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    I get why fans don't like this development, but it's not obvious to me that the BYU administration would view this as a very negative development. Sure, there is pass through via fans becoming less interested. So if they think that effect is big, they may be worried, but I'm guessing they don't expect much of a dropoff in interest. My sense of BYU administration is they are almost always happy to lose revenue on the margin for more control, influence, or freedom to do things their way or get their way on the margin. So you lose some prestige in men's and women's basketball with the Zags leaving and not much in other sports. Doesn't the marginal gain in influence and control offset those other loses for the powers that be at BYU?
    That's harsh. But wouldn't surprise me. This is a time we need a strong AD. I thought Holmoe was weak initially. But then there's been times I thought he was OK. Don't really know how to evaluate him.

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