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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    Can I take that back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    I was just wondering how a split Supreme Court decision is settled. Guess we may find out when the mail in ballot case comes before the court. The only question is which political party sued first.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Tic View Post
    Problem is, the Republicans don’t pick up any new votes on that issue. The Trumpster base isn’t going to expand and they’re already highly motivated to vote so nothing changes. But it will indeed catalyze the hard left that was unenthusiastic about Biden, and some independents that are wary of the balance of SCOTUS tipping too far right.


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    I don’t think that’s true at all. Just in my own circles I know three people who were on the fence before and are pushing toward Trump now that there is a vacancy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by All-American View Post
    I don’t think that’s true at all. Just in my own circles I know three people who were on the fence before and are pushing toward Trump now that there is a vacancy.
    It could be that he really will widen his base, and grab some more moderates, or perhaps what you're seeing is people aren't ashamed to say they're voting for Trump now that they have a "good reason". Perhaps this will make polling more accurate as a result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All-American View Post
    I don’t think that’s true at all. Just in my own circles I know three people who were on the fence before and are pushing toward Trump now that there is a vacancy.
    So you really know folks who were going to support Biden and just now are deciding to vote for Trump? Interesting. (If they are LDS lifelong Republicans who were making noise about voting Democrat for the first time ever, I have news for you: no, they weren’t going to do it anyway).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarid in Cedar View Post
    So here is a question for the democratic learning folks here. In your world view, what is more damaging to the country. A conservative Supreme Court or 4 more years of Trump?
    Easy call. Four more years of Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Tic View Post
    So you really know folks who were going to support Biden and just now are deciding to vote for Trump? Interesting. (If they are LDS lifelong Republicans who were making noise about voting Democrat for the first time ever, I have news for you: no, they weren’t going to do it anyway).


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    More like they were leaning Biden or opting out, but are now leaning trump. But I know several. Heck, I might be one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Easy call. Four more years of Trump.
    Exactly. Which is why I think it is advantageous to just get the nominating in and in the process. Eliminate that carrot for some Swing voters
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    Quote Originally Posted by All-American View Post
    I don’t think that’s true at all. Just in my own circles I know three people who were on the fence before and are pushing toward Trump now that there is a vacancy.
    I don’t understand this. Did they think RBG was going to live until 2025?

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    Quote Originally Posted by All-American View Post
    More like they were leaning Biden or opting out, but are now leaning trump. But I know several. Heck, I might be one of them.
    I honestly do not understand this. What possible wins that could come from a solid conservative majority would be worth another 4 years of daily presidential-induced chaos?
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    Quote Originally Posted by All-American View Post
    More like they were leaning Biden or opting out, but are now leaning trump. But I know several. Heck, I might be one of them.
    I wouldn't presume to speculate about who you, or any other given LDS voter out there, would really vote for. There are always outliers. But I would wager that a strong majority of those church members who like to pride themselves on being "politically independent" actually have a long history of pulling the lever overwhelming for Rs in the voting booth. The passing of RBG just gives them a pretext to do what they were going to do anyway, whether they wanted to admit that to themselves or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFunkhouser View Post
    McConnell is a piece of shit
    I agree, but he runs political circles around the democratic leadership. In just four years, Moscow Mitch has packed the federal courts with conservative male white judges that will last a generation. Dude is a political mastermind with absolutely no ethics or morals.
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    A system that allows a one-term president to have a generational legacy over the judiciary is a broken system. Just like the one that incentivizes a dying SC justice to hold on to life, to deny that president the opportunity.

    Term limits for SCOTUS. Failing that, I will support a mandatory retirement age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    A system that allows a one-term president to have a generational legacy over the judiciary is a broken system. Just like the one that incentivizes a dying SC justice to hold on to life, to deny that president the opportunity.

    Term limits for SCOTUS. Failing that, I will support a mandatory retirement age.
    She should have retired under Obama. The term limits problems have been well articulated here already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All-American View Post
    More like they were leaning Biden or opting out, but are now leaning trump. But I know several. Heck, I might be one of them.
    Yep, I know a lot of people that hate Trump's antics but they justified voting for him in 2016 because of this court appointees and because Hillary was awful. They are leaning Biden but I bet this pushes some of them back to Trump. I'm not one of them. I'm voting for Biden but I can see MJ and Moli Jr voting for Trump if it means a conservative justice replaces RBG on the supreme court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    A system that allows a one-term president to have a generational legacy over the judiciary is a broken system.
    I agree with you that the Democrats broke the system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    She should have retired under Obama. The term limits problems have been well articulated here already.
    Yep. And I will continue to highlight the problems with the current system!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    I agree with you that the Democrats broke the system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USUC View Post
    So which is it?

    The thought of Dems packing the court genuinely fills me with dread. If that happens, just break this stupid country up. I really wish we could just agree to a more federalist system. Let counties and states have more power than the feds. It is the only way to save this country.
    You serious Clark? The Dems are going to break the country up? Jesus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Now who’s the dean? View Post
    You serious Clark? The Dems are going to break the country up? Jesus
    Yeah, strange talk. It ignores how Trump has abused federal police force and how Barr is acting like a criminal accomplice. It's hard to take Libertarians serious when they are just more hard right instead of 3rd way.
    Then again, the Koch brothers have had a ton of influence over the Libertarian Party and pushed it in that direction. The are the biggest backers of the Reason Foundation (which is responsible for the not-exactly non-partisan Reason Magazine).

    Libertarian is like communism. It sounds like good on paper and has some worthy principles, but applied in the most extreme form is unsustainable. I want meat inspectors, the FDA, safety regulations etc. Look no further than prisons to see that privatization can often make government programming worse.

    Also, let's put to bed the notion that a group of primarily autonomous states could actually function. Someone is definitely an American before they are a Rhode Islander. We've thrived as a unified nation not a bunch of fiefdoms. There's an argument for more local control and states rights (Trump is horrid on this master, just look at his efforts to strong Dem govs. regarding covid response) but 50 little countries is idealogical foolishness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Now who’s the dean? View Post
    You serious Clark? The Dems are going to break the country up? Jesus
    Uh, no. I didn't say the Dems will break it up. I say break it up. Look, at heart I am a Hayekian libertarian. But that reality ain't happening anytime soon. So in practice I guess I am a federalist. Right now we have 2 parties vying to control and micromanage the population as monolith. And it can't govern on such a grand scale. Congress has abdicated it's role to the executive. And the executive is dependent on the courts to essentially legislate on it's behalf. With so much polarization, how can we get out of this mess? Allow for decision making to occur close to home and less in Washington. But I still think we should break it all up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Yep, I know a lot of people that hate Trump's antics but they justified voting for him in 2016 because of this court appointees and because Hillary was awful. They are leaning Biden but I bet this pushes some of them back to Trump. I'm not one of them. I'm voting for Biden but I can see MJ and Moli Jr voting for Trump if it means a conservative justice replaces RBG on the Supreme Court.
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    Interesting tweet thread on the history of Supreme Court vacancies right before and after an election:

    https://twitter.com/profbriankalt/st...123492425?s=21

    If those numbers are right, there has been 16 vacancies between the March preceding the general election and Inauguration Day. Of those 16, 7 vacancies were filled during the lame duck section.

    The political “elites” in the media will tell you otherwise, but there are no “norms” when it comes to filling Supreme Court vacancies. The only norm that matters is that people with political power will exercise it ... every time. And why shouldn’t they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UVACoug View Post
    Interesting tweet thread on the history of Supreme Court vacancies right before and after an election:

    https://twitter.com/profbriankalt/st...123492425?s=21

    If those numbers are right, there has been 16 vacancies between the March preceding the general election and Inauguration Day. Of those 16, 7 vacancies were filled during the lame duck section.

    The political “elites” in the media will tell you otherwise, but there are no “norms” when it comes to filling Supreme Court vacancies. The only norm that matters is that people with political power will exercise it ... every time. And why shouldn’t they?
    They should. Unless they set the new rules last time this happened. Specifically set the rules for this exact scenario with this exact President at this exact time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UVACoug View Post
    Interesting tweet thread on the history of Supreme Court vacancies right before and after an election:

    https://twitter.com/profbriankalt/st...123492425?s=21

    If those numbers are right, there has been 16 vacancies between the March preceding the general election and Inauguration Day. Of those 16, 7 vacancies were filled during the lame duck section.

    The political “elites” in the media will tell you otherwise, but there are no “norms” when it comes to filling Supreme Court vacancies. The only norm that matters is that people with political power will exercise it ... every time. And why shouldn’t they?
    Yeah, I saw something similar to that today. If the GOP replaces RBG and they do it within the rules, I can’t blame them. Both political parties bend the rules to get what they want.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Yeah, I saw something similar to that today. If the GOP replaces RBG and they do it within the rules, I can’t blame them. Both political parties bend the rules to get what they want.


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    It would be one of the greatest, most blatant acts of political hypocrisy in history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Mitt has vowed to wait on a vote. Good for him.
    I hadn't seen that but I'm not surprised. Glad he said that. I think that makes three R senators that have stated they won't support any nom, right? So they need one more I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    It would be one of the greatest, most blatant acts of political hypocrisy in history.
    Hyperbole much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Tic View Post
    I wouldn't presume to speculate about who you, or any other given LDS voter out there, would really vote for. There are always outliers. But I would wager that a strong majority of those church members who like to pride themselves on being "politically independent" actually have a long history of pulling the lever overwhelming for Rs in the voting booth. The passing of RBG just gives them a pretext to do what they were going to do anyway, whether they wanted to admit that to themselves or not.
    I would wager that the vast majority of mormons in Utah, at least, will pull the lever for Trump. For a religion that fancies itself on being God's first string, it's hard to imagine that so many of them are morally indifferent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost Student View Post
    I hadn't seen that but I'm not surprised. Glad he said that. I think that makes three R senators that have stated they won't support any nom, right? So they need one more I think.
    Really wish there were already three. So, with the constitution hanging by a thread, Mitt could ride in as the fourth.
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