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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    shocking conclusion from a bunch of upper middle class white males that the issue is a lack of market predominance.
    Shocking response from someone who likes to imply he makes more than anyone else and is smarter than us all, while rarely saying what he thinks.
    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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    I really enjoyed (and agree) with SU’s post. Though not as fun as the Mormon or basketball takes. It’s good to be reminded how smart of cat(blue) the gentleman from the Emerald City is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vandelay View Post
    I really enjoyed (and agree) with SU’s post. Though not as fun as the Mormon or basketball takes. It’s good to be reminded how smart of cat(blue) the gentleman from the Emerald City is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    Weird post, typo notwithstanding; if you want to peg (or be pegged by) SU, just send him a PM. No need to beat around the bush.
    I tried. I bought him dinner and (sorry mpf, I don’t recall what) and I didn’t get so much as a goodnight kiss. It felt like prom all over again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vandelay View Post
    I tried. I bought him dinner and (sorry mpf, I don’t recall what) and I didn’t get so much as a goodnight kiss. It felt like prom all over again
    He must have thought you were too easy. SU likes to play the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    Shocking response from someone who likes to imply he makes more than anyone else and is smarter than us all, while rarely saying what he thinks.
    i never implied i made more than anyone and i believe i just said what i was thinking. sorry you’re self conscious bro, but it’s normal for for your t levels to go down with age. maybe ask your dr for some of those new supplements?
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    shocking conclusion from a bunch of upper middle class white males that the issue is a lack of market predominance.
    Here in Seattle we have capitalists from all colors of the rainbow. But radical leftists, most of them white, spew invective against the immigrants who work for tech. The irony and hypocrisy is shocking, their kinship with Trump people in Texas and Arizona who say the same things about Latin Americans—taking our jobs, filling up our schools, driving up housing prices.

    Of course Bernie Sanders was just the left’s Trump. Fortunately, Trump’s nativism and protectionism has made Sanders seem passé. But then the radical left is blind to such nuance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    i never implied i made more than anyone and i believe i just said what i was thinking. sorry you’re self conscious bro, but it’s normal for for your t levels to go down with age. maybe ask your dr for some of those new supplements?
    You don't need a prescription. Just send a text!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    This is not interesting, as far as it goes. Of course he’s resigning so that Trump and not a Democratic President can appoint his successor. Ginsburg should have resigned during Obama for a similar reason.

    What’s interesting is to read the subtext of his resignation at this time—what it tells you about how he reads the direction of a future Supreme Court with a Trump apointee replacing him. Here is what almost everyone is missing. The great issues of the day are business related issues, not social issues.

    Justice Kennedy is as radical as any judge gets about social issues. He wrote the same sex marriages opinions. But he’s very libertarian as to the business related issues. He’s not worried that Trump appointees will overturn Roe or undoe same sex marriage as a Constitutional right. Yes, they will restrict abortion at the margins, and balance same sex liberty against religious liberty and property rights as they recently did. But the landmark civil rights opinions will stand.

    Undoing these, whether Brown v. Board, Roe, or same sex, is a pipe dream. There are two reasons for this. First, these conservative justices are bred in the bone members of the federal judiciary priesthood. They care more about that than their Catholic faith. They understand stare deciis and they aren’gt going go make case law that upends established case law and around which societal expections and norms have been developed. Stare decisis is important to blue bloods like these guys.

    Second, the Court is super sensitive to the political will. I regard this restraint its saving grace more than any strict construction of the Constitution. The fact is that an overwhelming majority of Americans don’t watn the iconic civil rights cases overturned, including Roe. That’s why that case law exists.

    Now, to me its a supreme irony that the business related issues are almost ignored. The biggest threat to our liberty right now is the radical left’s overt hostility to our business communities. Every country that cares about civil rights became that way after economic prosperity. Economic prosperity is a precondition to a decent, free society. Just look at Europe and more recently China. We hear all the time the original, unamended Constitution disparaged for its preoccupation with property rights. This was a part of its genius. America is great because of capitalism, the most successful ideology in the history of the world.

    This musn’t be taken for granted. At a more concrete level, see how the radical left cares nothing about the working class and poor, who are most directly hurt by their extreme opposition to fossils fuels and growth. They care more about a theoretical risk to trees than the current suffering of humans. But guess what, if we’re gong to be saved from climate change, that marriage of business and science we call technology, not sustainability, is going to do it. Who gets hurt most if a pipeline terminal in Bellingham Washington doesn’t get built? Not liberal Seattle elites. It’s people who spend a greater share of their income on consumer goods including gasoline, and laborers who would build such things.

    Here in Seattle we received an object lesson. The City Council, which includes a couple of avowed socialists (clueless to the 100 million people murdered in the 20th century in the name of National SOCIALISM (NAZI) and USSOCIALISTR), last month passed a “head tax”, a tax on jobs ostensibly to fund “affordable housing”. Seattle essentially has no unemployment, but Amazon is being blamed for the homeless crisis (homelessness is caused by drug additional and mental illness, not rising rents that are occurring apace wiht rising wages and job creation, but that’s a topic for another thread). The City Council heald a rally in support of the head tax at Amazon’s glass orbs. THE IRONWORKERS’ UNION members showed up and drowned out the rally with shouts, “NO Head tax!” They passed the ordinance anyway, then repealed it after 45,000 signatures were collected in a week to put it on the ballot.

    Now, back to Kennedy. He realizes that the boring business related issues are the issue fo the day. The crazy attacks on tech, that has done nothing but made our lives better, the scapegoating of facebook for Trump’s victory etc. Tax and environmental issue. He feels that the social issues he cares deeply about are safe; he’ll let the conservative court nibble away at the edges of those. Gay couples have plenty of options for wedding cake bakers. Clearly he feels that as to the social issues, the key civil rights issues have been won and settled for good. But in the interest of America and liberty, he wants to insure that the a conserviate court continues to decide the issues of the day that truly matter to ordinary Americans’ health and and prosperity and even liberty.
    All of which goes to show how badly liberals misunderstood his legacy, thinking he was one of them because he signed off on a few social issues.

    In fact, he was not much of an ally even on the social issues. The hallmark of his opinions were that they were poorly written, poorly reasoned, and scoped so as to move the needle hardly at all on any other issue, or even any other case, than the one at hand. The recent Masterpiece Cakeshop case is a classic example: though he cobbled together an ostensible 7-2 majority, his opinion depended upon so many arcane, unrepeatable facts that the decision decided essentially nothing and left no reasoning or precedent for the next generation of cases to follow. The gay marriage decisions are hardly different. It took three bites at the apple for the Court to finally arrive at its predestined outcome, and when it did, Justice Kennedy's opinion-- so badly written, as Justice Scalia described it, that if he were ever to join a similarly worded opinion, "even as the price to be paid for a fifth vote," he "would hide [his] head in a bag"-- rather than base his reasoning on the at least marginally defensible equal rights arguments most of the left adopted, he found the right to marriage to independently spring from the due process clause, effectively showing the basis of the Court's opinion to be that this is what it felt like doing that day and ensuring that it would move the ball in almost no other circumstances. Some commentators are wondering if this was intentional: by deciding the issue on the least broad, mostly unpersuasive, and all-around sui generis basis available, he rendered decisions that were popular as to outcome, risible as to reasoning ("descended," as Scalia put it, "from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie"), and thus helpful to no other social cause whatsoever. Stupid like a fox? Perhaps.

    Whether his social decisions stand is an open question, though I agree the gay marriage cases almost certainly will. The beauty of a discretionary docket is that the Court gets to pick its battles, and it is unlikely to pick a fight with a one-off issue of so little consequence beyond the question of gay marriage itself (and thus the tepid scope of Kennedy's opinions may be their saving grace). I suspect the abortion question is more ripe for the taking. But these are, as SU notes, tangential to the more important questions. Justice Scalia often reminded his audiences that the Bill of Rights, though the focus of many students of the constitution and of the public at large, was a mere afterthought, and not worth much without a robust governmental structure able to give it effect. When you get the structural questions right, the rights questions will sort themselves out in the long run. Justice Kennedy may have disappointed conservatives on some of the rights questions, but he was an conservative ally on the structural questions, and his decision to make way for Justice Kavanaugh to replace him confirms it.
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    This is some serious bullshit:

    But when it came to food, the future Supreme Court pick found hardly anything palatable, Christmas said. Kavanaugh was a “bland eater,” his roommate explained, who never ate his pasta with anything more exotic than tomato sauce or ketchup on top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Who has ever eaten pasta with ketchup? That is preposterous and makes regurgitation desirable.
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    Let’s get this discussion in the correct thread.

    Hey frank, any other Mexican born Americans making white power hand signals today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Let’s get this discussion in the correct thread.

    Hey frank, any other Mexican born Americans making white power hand signals today?
    Good to see everyone who promoted that lunacy get destroyed today on twitter. Idiots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Good to see everyone who promoted that lunacy get destroyed today on twitter. Idiots.


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    Someone needs to get better control over their handmaid...

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    How did she get into the Kavanaugh hearing?
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    I don't want to admit this was my favorite yesterday, but it made me chuckle a bit:

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    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Speaking of protestors, this idiot was effectively dealt with:



    I think the congressman got the idea from her selfie stick which looks like the thing you hold at an auction.
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
    I don't want to admit this was my favorite yesterday, but it made me chuckle a bit:

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    I can't get over the fact that people are still believing that she was flashing a white supremacist sign and are tweeting about it. Good grief, how stupid have we become?
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    Even dumber than that, I promise you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I can't get over the fact that people are still believing that she was flashing a white supremacist sign and are tweeting about it. Good grief, how stupid have we become?
    Many of the tweets I read from unhinged lefties: "no one just sits there with their hands like that!" When I'm sitting around in church or some other place where I'm doing nothing with my hands, I pay little attention to the position of my individual fingers. I'm pretty sure I've looked down a couple times and my finger was inadvertently in the same position as the waitress from Seinfeld.

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    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Let’s get this discussion in the correct thread.

    Hey frank, any other Mexican born Americans making white power hand signals today?
    So why are you asking me that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    So why are you asking me that?
    I think he confused this issue with your much more principled stand against Kavanaugh based on Kavanaugh's failure to shake some guy's hand.
    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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    Kavanaugh should have answered the question when asked if he'd had conversations about the Mueller investigation with Trump's personal lawyer. He didn't come off well there. If he didn't have such a conversation, just say no. That was troubling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Kavanaugh should have answered the question when asked if he'd had conversations about the Mueller investigation with Trump's personal lawyer. He didn't come off well there. If he didn't have such a conversation, just say no. That was troubling.

    Didn't come off well?...

    “I’m not sure I know everyone who works at that law firm,” Kavanaugh told Harris.
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    Kavanaugh did admit to speaking with his fellow judges about Mueller’s probe given the media attention it has received and its continuation.
    He is not sure if he knows anyone that works there. I am not sure if I know anyone that works there either.

    I think the senator from Utah explained that pretty well...

    Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, interjected during the exchange to assert there was no way for Kavanaugh to know the full roster of people who work at specific law firms in D.C.


    "Law firms have a lot of names, there are a lot of people who work at law firms," Lee said. “They’re like rabbits, they spawn new firms.”
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...y-trump-lawyer

    I would have said they are more like bacterial inflections.





    When is Mueller going to release the proof that the Ruskies rig the election? Come on... he has been working on this crap for two years. The public demands to see the proof that we spent all this money on. I am getting tired of eating these nothing burgers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Didn't come off well?...



    He is not sure if he knows anyone that works there. I am not sure if I know anyone that works there either.

    I think the senator from Utah explained that pretty well...


    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...y-trump-lawyer

    I would have said they are more like bacterial inflections.





    When is Mueller going to release the proof that the Ruskies rig the election? Come on... he has been working on this crap for two years. The public demands to see the proof that we spent all this money on. I am getting tired of eating these nothing burgers!
    Who works there wasn't the question. Nice try.

    Just say no if the answer is no. What's wrong with that?

    Just say yes, I've had conversations with people about the Mueller investigation, but not aware of any I've had with lawyers who work for Trump.

    Not that hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Kavanaugh should have answered the question when asked if he'd had conversations about the Mueller investigation with Trump's personal lawyer. He didn't come off well there. If he didn't have such a conversation, just say no. That was troubling.
    I agree. It was a good question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Who works there wasn't the question. Nice try.

    Just say no if the answer is no. What's wrong with that?

    Just say yes, I've had conversations with people about the Mueller investigation, but not aware of any I've had with lawyers who work for Trump.

    Not that hard.
    He had conversations about the mueller investigation just like I have lots of conversation about the mueller investigation. He doesn’t know if he had a conversation with a lawyer that works for drumpf’s law firm and thinks he doesn’t knows any one that works there. That is his answer. It isn’t a yes or no question because he doesn’t know. Do you know everyone that works there or has worked there? If not, how do you expect him to know?


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Kavanaugh should have answered the question when asked if he'd had conversations about the Mueller investigation with Trump's personal lawyer. He didn't come off well there. If he didn't have such a conversation, just say no. That was troubling.
    Are you talking about that weird exchange with Kamala Harris? She needs to freaking get to the point. total vaguebooking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    He had conversations about the mueller investigation just like I have lots of conversation about the mueller investigation. He doesn’t know if he had a conversation with a lawyer that works for drumpf’s law firm and thinks he doesn’t knows any one that works there. That is his answer. It isn’t a yes or no question because he doesn’t know. Do you know everyone that works there or has worked there? If not, how do you expect him to know?


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    Just say yes, I've had conversations with people about the Mueller investigation, but not aware of any I've had with lawyers who work for Trump.

    But that's not how he answered it.

    And you having had conversations about it is inconsequential. That's not the case for a sitting federal judge of a court that could very well have an official capacity regarding it at some point. He would know if he'd had conversations about it with people who matter, and with whom it would have been appropriate or inappropriate to talk to about it. I doubt he'd be that haphazard.
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