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    I hope Toby Jones plays Graham if they ever do a biopic of him.

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    Manchin tweeted that he will vote to confirm. So that's 51 votes in favor.
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    Machin being interviewed with protesters "Shame!", "Shame on You!" and "Look at Us!" One woman yelled "What is wrong with you?!" as he got into the elevator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    This might explain how Dr. Ford passed that two question polygraph test...


    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chr...y-sounds-alarm
    It's funny how little discussion occurred on here about this. Perhaps people felt it was inappropriate because it was ... uncorroborated? CNN put out a story the next day where Monica McLean denied the story and in the process they revealed the guy's name. If you look up the guy's profile, he appears to be someone who has quite a bit to lose by getting involved with this.

    About that Monica McLean, who this guy alleges was coached by Ford regarding a polygraph: she is lifelong friend of Ford's. She went to the hearing to support her. She retired from the FBI and lives in Rehobeth Beach, Delaware. Regarding Rehobeth Beach, Ford testified before the Senate Judiciary she was in Rehobeth Beach when she wrote the July 30 letter to Diane Feinstein. So apparently she happened to write this letter while she was staying with her pal Monica.

    What did McLean do with the FBI? She worked at the US Attorney's office as PR spokesman/officer at the Southern District of New York under a guy named Preet Bharara. The Southern District of New York is NYC (well at least Manhattan), being the US Attorney there is a big deal. It's how Giuliani eventually became the mayor of NYC. Preet Bharara got the appointment because: a) he was well-qualified; and b) he was chief counsel for Chuck Schumer for a number of years while Schumer ran the judiciary committee when the Democrats were in the majority. McLean is obviously a politically connected person.

    The Wall Street Journal ran a story last night that the FBI received text messages between McLean and Keyser, wherein McLean was pressuring Keyser to change her story regarding the the infamous 1982 party. In something that is likely related, Chuck Grassley sent a letter over to Ford's attorneys last night requesting that they provide records and details of communications between them and Sens. Feinstein and Hirono, the alleged witnesses at the party (including Keyser), and Deborah Ramirez, Julie Swetnick and their lawyers.

    At this point you'd have to have the brains of an OJ juror to believe Kavanaugh actually assaulted Ford.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
    At this point you'd have to have the brains of an OJ juror to believe Kavanaugh actually assaulted Ford.


    Wow, that got resolved pretty quickly, right? She lied, he told the truth. Amazing that there's still a bunch of doofuses who can't see it as clearly as you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfah View Post
    I hope Toby Jones plays Graham if they ever do a biopic of him.

    I heard someone comment regarding that picture of Graham that "he looks like he just had butt sex with another dude's wife...or with the dude himself."
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post


    Wow, that got resolved pretty quickly, right? She lied, he told the truth. Amazing that there's still a bunch of doofuses who can't see it as clearly as you.
    Yes you're a colossal dummy if you really believe Kavanaugh did it. The type who believed all the ridiculous testimony of every other daycare center in the US from 1980-1995 being a false front for a satanic cult.
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Worth a read... the stuff on eyewitness mis-identification is scary, though probably unsurprising to the lawyers on the board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post


    Wow, that got resolved pretty quickly, right? She lied, he told the truth. Amazing that there's still a bunch of doofuses who can't see it as clearly as you.
    While I dont agree that it is quite as clear as CMBF suggests, the bulk of the information coming to light since the hearing last week has undermined Ford but not affected Kavanaugh's credibility. Moreover, I think that Grassley must know something for him to demand copies of correspondence Ford has had with Feinstein and the like. I doubt that is just fishing. Plus, the whole issue with the therapist's notes is very odd; why won't she give them to the committee? She shows some portion of them (presumably the part that helps her look good) to a reporter but won't show anything to the committee? While she made a good appearance, her credibility is not standing up well to close scrutiny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
    It's funny how little discussion occurred on here about this. Perhaps people felt it was inappropriate because it was ... uncorroborated? CNN put out a story the next day where Monica McLean denied the story and in the process they revealed the guy's name. If you look up the guy's profile, he appears to be someone who has quite a bit to lose by getting involved with this.

    About that Monica McLean, who this guy alleges was coached by Ford regarding a polygraph: she is lifelong friend of Ford's. She went to the hearing to support her. She retired from the FBI and lives in Rehobeth Beach, Delaware. Regarding Rehobeth Beach, Ford testified before the Senate Judiciary she was in Rehobeth Beach when she wrote the July 30 letter to Diane Feinstein. So apparently she happened to write this letter while she was staying with her pal Monica.

    What did McLean do with the FBI? She worked at the US Attorney's office as PR spokesman/officer at the Southern District of New York under a guy named Preet Bharara. The Southern District of New York is NYC (well at least Manhattan), being the US Attorney there is a big deal. It's how Giuliani eventually became the mayor of NYC. Preet Bharara got the appointment because: a) he was well-qualified; and b) he was chief counsel for Chuck Schumer for a number of years while Schumer ran the judiciary committee when the Democrats were in the majority. McLean is obviously a politically connected person.

    The Wall Street Journal ran a story last night that the FBI received text messages between McLean and Keyser, wherein McLean was pressuring Keyser to change her story regarding the the infamous 1982 party. In something that is likely related, Chuck Grassley sent a letter over to Ford's attorneys last night requesting that they provide records and details of communications between them and Sens. Feinstein and Hirono, the alleged witnesses at the party (including Keyser), and Deborah Ramirez, Julie Swetnick and their lawyers.

    At this point you'd have to have the brains of an OJ juror to believe Kavanaugh actually assaulted Ford.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
    Yes you're a colossal dummy if you really believe Kavanaugh did it. The type who believed all the ridiculous testimony of every other daycare center in the US from 1980-1995 being a false front for a satanic cult.
    It was Kavanaugh’s tears and angry denial that sealed the deal for you, wasn’t it? Because there is nothing else in your long posts that tie up all the loose ends as neatly as you think they do.

    Agree with Creekster that her credibility took a hit. I really don’t know what to think after all this. But if you’re going to force me to take a side, I’ll cast my lot in with all the other dummies who think she is probably telling the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfah View Post
    I hope Toby Jones plays Graham if they ever do a biopic of him.

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    So are people suggesting Graham is gay and shaming him for it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    So are people suggesting Graham is gay and shaming him for it?
    If Graham was gay he would definitely be a no on Kavanaugh, unless he would like to be treated as a second class, at best, citizen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFunkhouser View Post
    If Graham was gay he would definitely be a no on Kavanaugh, unless he would like to be treated as a second class, at best, citizen.
    Kavanaugh quote: "The days of discriminating against gay and lesbian Americans, or treating [them] as inferior in dignity and worth, are over."
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    I think we all can thank the porn star lawyer dude...

    Brett Kavanaugh Will Be Confirmed, and Liberals Should Blame Michael Avenatti

    Sens. Susan Collins (R–Maine) and Joe Manchin (D–W.Va.) announced on Friday they would vote to confirm Brett Kavanaugh, which effectively means the judge will be joining the Supreme Court despite multiple allegations of sexual assault.


    Democrats, the left, and various other anti-Kavanaugh persons can thank attorney Michael Avenatti for this outcome, at least in part.


    The spotlight-stealing lawyer, who also represented Stormy Daniels, is responsible for drawing the media's attention to Julie Swetnick, an alleged victim of Kavanaugh who told an inconsistent and unpersuasive story. Swetnick's wild accusation provided cover for fence-sitting senators to overlook the more plausible allegation levelled by psychology professor Christine Blasey Ford, and to declare that Kavanaugh was being subjected to false smears.


    Indeed, in her speech announcing her decision to vote for Kavanaugh, Collins explicitly made note of Swetnick's allegation, which she described as "outlandish."
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    https://reason.com/blog/2018/10/05/b...enatti-collins

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Ted, that's because he's a libertarian. Everyone hates those. You should understand that. If you don't it's because you're a fake.
    I don't think the Libertarians like Flake either...

    Is Jeff Flake a Libertarian in Any Sense of the Word?

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    However, in Victor's opinion, Flake's not all about the liberty.


    "Jeff Flake is pretending to be a Libertarian, pretending to be for freedom and free markets," he said.


    "He can't even come out against the drug war," Victor continues. "For me, that's the easiest thing to come out against."
    [...]
    https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news...e-word-6638118
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    I don't the Libertarians like Flake either...


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    This may be helpful for some of you... From the Huff Post:

    12 Self-Care Tips If You're Struggling To Deal With Everything Today

    Experts share what you can do for your mental health amid news that Brett Kavanaugh will likely be confirmed.

    Brett Kavanaugh is likely being confirmed to the Supreme Court. And for many, that news feels devastating.
    [....]
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/self-...b028e1fe3d30ec


    Whenever she finds herself stewing over the Kavanagh vote, she puts her survival practice into action, she says. “Just now, I went to my Facebook page and posted, ‘I feel sad.’ And I feel a surge of energy and personal power. Never fails.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    You can also express your feelings here on CS... we are here for you.
    Yes, there's ample evidence of that just this morning.

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    “Are you now, or have you ever been, a friend of Brett Kavanaugh?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Kavanaugh quote: "The days of discriminating against gay and lesbian Americans, or treating [them] as inferior in dignity and worth, are over."
    That was him quoting someone else and when asked if he agreed with that sentiment he wouldn't say yes or no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFunkhouser View Post
    That was him quoting someone else and when asked if he agreed with that sentiment he wouldn't say yes or no.
    It’s a non issue. America overwhelming supports gay rights. The SCOTUS won’t overturn Obergefell.
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    So I don't want to dive too far into this as I think likely everyone is sick of this issue, but maybe a few of you can explain this:
    How *is* this different from a job interview for a very selective and desired position?
    I'm guessing anyone but CMBF would put the lower limit probability of Ford telling the truth (funny I have to define this hear, but let's define that as "a decent description of what actually happened") at say, 10%? I think any lower than that and you're not really looking at this very objectively (just as I'd say that higher than 90% would indicate you don't have a very good grasp of how fallible human memory is). Isn't even a 10% chance of putting a sexual assault on the Supreme Court a little high, especially when you have a dozen Gorsuch's in the wings? It's not like you can't find less divisive candidates.
    I'm torn on this a little because I really don't want to set a precedent for the kind of crap that Feinstein pulled (I can't believe that she's getting a pass on this--she should lose her job), but at the same time, this guy's tainted, no matter what the truth is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFunkhouser View Post
    That was him quoting someone else and when asked if he agreed with that sentiment he wouldn't say yes or no.
    No, that's not it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    It’s a non issue. America overwhelming supports gay rights. The SCOTUS won’t overturn Obergefell.
    They won't overturn it but they will limit protections based on sexual orientation and allow discrimination to continue.
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/06/u...eme-court.html

    Lots of weeping and gnashing of teeth in the comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFunkhouser View Post
    They won't overturn it but they will limit protections based on sexual orientation and allow discrimination to continue.
    Doubt it. Again, gay rights are not like abortion rights. The overwhelming majority of Americans favor gay rights. It would be political suicide for the republicans if the conservative judges irrationally limit those rights.

    Abortion on the other hand, is still hotly contested and has never won an overwhelming majority of supporters.
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    No one is overturning Obergefell or Roe. These questions distract from the merits.

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