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    Probably not deserving of its own thread, but this campaign has been a source of high comedy over the past few days. Basically, it was revealed that Elizabeth Warren listed herself as a minority professor while she was working at other universities before she landed her position at Harvard Law School. Then when she gets to Harvard Law School, she drops the minority moniker. The inference that is being drawn is that she used her supposed minority status to advance. Then when she got where she wanted to be, she dropped it so people wouldn't make assumption about how she got there.

    Is Elizabeth Warren a minority? Well, that was also revealed and she's 1/32 Native American. Her great-great-great Grandmother was, I think, Cherokee. Her one drop, or 3 drops per 100, of Native American blood was apparently enough to designate her a minority.

    I heard someone call her Elizabeth "Dances With Socialism" Warren. I thought that was funny. Another one -- Fauxcahontas.
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    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    A friend of Parrot Head's is currently on a similar journey to an ivy league school.

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    "Dances with Socialism"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
    Probably not deserving of its own thread, but this campaign has been a source of high comedy over the past few days. Basically, it was revealed that Elizabeth Warren listed herself as a minority professor while she was working at other universities before she landed her position at Harvard Law School. Then when she gets to Harvard Law School, she drops the minority moniker. The inference that is being drawn is that she used her supposed minority status to advance. Then when she got where she wanted to be, she dropped it so people wouldn't make assumption about how she got there.

    Is Elizabeth Warren a minority? Well, that was also revealed and she's 1/32 Native American. Her great-great-great Grandmother was, I think, Cherokee. Her one drop, or 3 drops per 100, of Native American blood was apparently enough to designate her a minority.

    I heard someone call her Elizabeth "Dances With Socialism" Warren. I thought that was funny. Another one -- Fauxcahontas.
    Her explanation is hilarious.

    Democratic U.S. Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren said Wednesday she listed herself as having Native American heritage in law school directories because she hoped to meet people with similar roots.

    Warren, a Harvard Law School professor, said she never tried to use minority status to get teaching jobs and criticized the campaign of Republican Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown for suggesting that may have been the case.

    “I listed myself in the directory in the hopes that might mean that I would be invited to a luncheon, a group, something that might happen with people who are like I am,” Warren said during a campaign appearance in Braintree, according to the Boston Herald.

    The listing did not produce any such contacts, and she later stopped using it, Warren said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
    Probably not deserving of its own thread, but this campaign has been a source of high comedy over the past few days. Basically, it was revealed that Elizabeth Warren listed herself as a minority professor while she was working at other universities before she landed her position at Harvard Law School. Then when she gets to Harvard Law School, she drops the minority moniker. The inference that is being drawn is that she used her supposed minority status to advance. Then when she got where she wanted to be, she dropped it so people wouldn't make assumption about how she got there.

    Is Elizabeth Warren a minority? Well, that was also revealed and she's 1/32 Native American. Her great-great-great Grandmother was, I think, Cherokee. Her one drop, or 3 drops per 100, of Native American blood was apparently enough to designate her a minority.

    I heard someone call her Elizabeth "Dances With Socialism" Warren. I thought that was funny. Another one -- Fauxcahontas.
    Wow.

    I am as much Lakota as she is Cherokee. What's more, I spent a significant part of my childhood studying and camping in the Lakota style (tipis, making clothes out of buckskin, etc.). I consciously decided not to claim Native American on any of my law school applications because I thought it was dishonest and cheap - something I was grateful for when I made a good friend who was Navajo.

    What a lying ass.
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    “I listed myself in the directory in the hopes that might mean that I would be invited to a luncheon, a group, something that might happen with people who are like I am,” Warren said during a campaign appearance in Braintree, according to the Boston Herald.

    The listing did not produce any such contacts, and she later stopped using it, Warren said.
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    This is comedy gold.

    Elizabeth "Dances With Occupiers" Warren talks about how her grandfather had high cheekbones like "all indians do."
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Faith is about the same percent Native American, but I have always thought the small genetic heritage is quite strongly expressed in her appearance. Like Warren, Faith has also long felt a sense of pride in the heritage as well as a curiosity to learn more about what this line of ancestors were like. Let us get one thing straight -- at least one line of Elizabeth Warren's ancestors trails back through the primitive forests of North America. While this isn't my heritage, it is easy for me to imagine how this link could capture the imagination of someone whose great-great-great grandparent was an American Indian. It is ironic that Mormons, whose church does so much to foster a connection between members of families through the ages, would be so quick to judge Warren's explanation as disingenuous.

    Nikuman, your post was also very amusing. I liked the way you admitted to having contemplated claiming this sliver of your heritage, and a moment later you are calling Ms. Warren a liar for considering the same question, but arriving at a different conclusion.

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    Wow. Look at her flailing here. Parphrase:"I'm Indian because my great aunt used to say that my papaw had high ckeeck bones--like the Indians." Seems like she should be trying to dismiss this as irrelevant rather than making a ridiculous defense. I love that Scott Brown will continue to hold "the Kennedy seat" for 6 more years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinFinderson View Post
    Nikuman, your post was also very amusing. I liked the way you admitted to having contemplated claiming this sliver of your heritage, and a moment later you are calling Ms. Warren a liar for considering the same question, but arriving at a different conclusion.
    Only Robin could make such a condemnation. Two people contemplate telling a lie and only one of them tells the lie. The one who didn't is equally as culpable as the one who did.

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    So, Elizabeth Warren got her law degree from Rutgers. Every other law professor at Harvard got their degrees from a top 10 school. Also, Warren was also the first minority woman to join the faculty, at least she was a minority at the time of her hiring. It no longer seemed important after she got the job.
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinFinderson View Post
    Faith is about the same percent Native American, but I have always thought the small genetic heritage is quite strongly expressed in her appearance. Like Warren, Faith has also long felt a sense of pride in the heritage as well as a curiosity to learn more about what this line of ancestors were like. Let us get one thing straight -- at least one line of Elizabeth Warren's ancestors trails back through the primitive forests of North America. While this isn't my heritage, it is easy for me to imagine how this link could capture the imagination of someone whose great-great-great grandparent was an American Indian. It is ironic that Mormons, whose church does so much to foster a connection between members of families through the ages, would be so quick to judge Warren's explanation as disingenuous.

    Nikuman, your post was also very amusing. I liked the way you admitted to having contemplated claiming this sliver of your heritage, and a moment later you are calling Ms. Warren a liar for considering the same question, but arriving at a different conclusion.
    By "contemplated," I mean "crossed my mind," exactly in the same way I contemplated killing the driver who cut me off this morning for two nanoseconds before I came to my senses and realized it was a crazy an immoral thing to do. That kind of contemplation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Only Robin could make such a condemnation. Two people contemplate telling a lie and only one of them tells the lie. The one who didn't is equally as culpable as the one who did.
    But it isn't a lie, and that wasn't my point. Two people contemplated noting their Indian heritage for two different reasons, nikuman in order to take advantage of an admissions benefit, and Warren (if we take her at her word) in order to reach out to other students and alumni with similar ancestry. Because nikuman can't imagine any other reason for claiming the heritage besides the one that he contemplated, he projects his own motives onto Warren.

    The question here is why are people not taking Warren at her word? Has it even been established that her claiming this sliver of her heritage played any role in her admissions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinFinderson View Post
    .The question here is why are people not taking Warren at her word?
    Because she is lying.
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    Isn't there a minimum blood ratio required to claim Indian heritage? What is the rule? If she doesn't meet the requirement, she can't claim it. If she meets the requirement, who cares what she claims?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripletDaddy View Post
    Isn't there a minimum blood ratio required to claim Indian heritage? What is the rule? If she doesn't meet the requirement, she can't claim it. If she meets the requirement, who cares what she claims?
    I don't think there is a minimum requirement to claim "heritage." There are requirements to invoke that heritage to gain benefit. Most Native American scholarships, for example, require 1/4 or more degree of Native American blood. http://oedb.org/scholarship/native-american

    I would suspect that institutions have a different set of criteria when they claim someone as a minority hire or appointment, but I don't have any info to verify that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripletDaddy View Post
    Isn't there a minimum blood ratio required to claim Indian heritage? What is the rule? If she doesn't meet the requirement, she can't claim it. If she meets the requirement, who cares what she claims?
    Warren, and other white folks like her, are the reason why law school applicants must also provide their tribal affiliation number on their law school application. I was always told that my great-grandfather was 100% Native American, so before I applied to law school, I tried to see if I could use that fact to get into a better school, since I was presumptively 1/8. As I researched my genealogy, my great-granfather was only 1/4 (we think) and his NA ancestor did not participate in an Indian registry that was done in the mid-19th Century, and therefore, for all intents and purposes, got no favorable treatment as a NA.

    I did have friends growing up in Maine who looked as caucasian as the rest of us (one who even had blonde hair/blue eyes) who were affiliated with a tribe and received tribal benefits. Because their tribal populations were decimated a good 120 years before L&C even thought about going west, and they were the point of first contact, many of the New England Tribes are basically indistinguishable on their face from the rest of the Euromutts walking around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripletDaddy View Post
    Isn't there a minimum blood ratio required to claim Indian heritage? What is the rule? If she doesn't meet the requirement, she can't claim it. If she meets the requirement, who cares what she claims?
    Varies from tribe to tribe, as I recall, at least for purposes of being accepted formally into the tribe. Some tribes with dwindling numbers are down as low as 1/32. Tribal affiliation, however, is not a prerequisite for checking a box. As is shown here, there's really nothing that prevents you.

    Here's what happened to me. I was filling out paperwork for law school financial aid and come across the race box. I looked at it and asked myself two questions: was affiliation with that group a defining characteristic of my life, or, barring that, was I at some disadvantage, historical or otherwise, because of said heritage. The answer being no to both of those questions, I checked the "Caucasian" box and moved on.
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    My dad tells me that there is speculation that his father was part Cherokee. This cannot be confirmed as he (grandpa) was adopted and his heritage is fuzzy at best.

    Still, I cannot help but be a little bitter when I look back at the education that I had to pay for myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wally View Post
    My dad tells me that there is speculation that his father was part Cherokee. This cannot be confirmed as he (grandpa) was adopted and his heritage is fuzzy at best.

    Still, I cannot help but be a little bitter when I look back at the education that I had to pay for myself.
    My wife's dad has the same story. Hmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TripletDaddy View Post
    Isn't there a minimum blood ratio required to claim Indian heritage? What is the rule? If she doesn't meet the requirement, she can't claim it. If she meets the requirement, who cares what she claims?
    How much Hispanic blood does Wuap have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfah View Post
    How much Hispanic blood does Wuap have?
    I'm guessing zero. He's not La Raza.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripletDaddy View Post
    I'm guessing zero. He's not La Raza.
    Going back 500 years, many of my ancestors were from Galicia, Asturias, and Cantabria. But, that's so diluted, I'd never claim to be Hispanic because of genetics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wuapinmon View Post
    Going back 500 years, many of my ancestors were from Galicia, Asturias, and Cantabria. But, that's so diluted, I'd never claim to be Hispanic because of genetics.
    That wouldn't meet the minimum requirement, anyway. As you said, too diluted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hostile View Post
    I don't think there is a minimum requirement to claim "heritage." There are requirements to invoke that heritage to gain benefit. Most Native American scholarships, for example, require 1/4 or more degree of Native American blood. http://oedb.org/scholarship/native-american

    I would suspect that institutions have a different set of criteria when they claim someone as a minority hire or appointment, but I don't have any info to verify that.
    You also have to have a minimum amount in order to get casino shares from most tribes . A guy I went to high school with is 1/4 Pechanga and he hauls home a comfortable 6 figure income. He surfs and snowboards full time and I kind of hate him for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfah View Post
    How much Hispanic blood does Wuap have?
    Not the same. They ask "Hispanic of any race" these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hostile View Post
    I don't think there is a minimum requirement to claim "heritage." There are requirements to invoke that heritage to gain benefit. Most Native American scholarships, for example, require 1/4 or more degree of Native American blood. http://oedb.org/scholarship/native-american

    I would suspect that institutions have a different set of criteria when they claim someone as a minority hire or appointment, but I don't have any info to verify that.
    The tribes have their own criteria, and the feds have theirs too. It's a giant mess where people can be booted out, or people claim membership in unrecognized (or sometimes fictitious) tribes. There's a pretty good book about all these ramifications, esp. in terms of forging modern identities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
    So, Elizabeth Warren got her law degree from Rutgers. Every other law professor at Harvard got their degrees from a top 10 school. Also, Warren was also the first minority woman to join the faculty, at least she was a minority at the time of her hiring. It no longer seemed important after she got the job.
    First, what constitutes a "top 10" school?

    Second, how "good" is Rutgers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by doctorcoug View Post
    First, what constitutes a "top 10" school?

    Second, how "good" is Rutgers?
    Rutgers isn't one of them and it's not close to being one of them. But generally speaking (in no particular order)--

    Yale
    Harvard
    Stanford
    Chicago
    Columbia
    NYU
    Virginia
    Penn
    Cal
    Duke/Cornell/Michigan/Northwestern

    Then there's a HUGE dropoff to Georgetown
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    I share a Cherokee-lineage equal to that of Ms. Warren's, as my GGGma was Mary Ottertail, a Cherokee "princess". Regretfully, this provided me with no physical advantage at all, as I tan about as well as Queen Elizabeth. That Warren would claim the lineage to obtain any advantage (which even her lame explanation admits to doing) is laughable.

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