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    I'm working at a different hospital this week and one of the other doctors is this loud, semi-obnoxious Fox News superfan (I don't mean that in a derogatory way, just to illustrate that 95% of our conversations involve the latest Fox News topic). Anyway, we have our differences, but I usually just sort of nod to avoid argument so I can actually get work done, as he tends to...well, not get work done when these discussions get going.

    But last night was a doozy. You could probably guess that he's no fan of Obama and he started pretty quickly into the standard 'Obama hates white people' fare, although with the new added twist of quotes from his book, which I haven't read. Soon, he moved to how he was sick of being blamed for things that he and his family had nothing to do with--a decent point, i guess--but then busted out with 'you know? Slavery wasn't that bad.'

    'um...what?'
    'I'm serious. Slave owners treated their slaves pretty well. The last thing they wanted was to chase a runaway slave, so they wanted to keep conditions as good as they could. Plus, they wouldn't want unhealthy slaves.'
    'um....what?'
    'yeah, that 'roots' stuff is a bunch of bullshit. Totally exaggerated. The real problems for black people came once they were freed.'
    (paraphrased, but pretty darn close to actual words used)

    I'm admittedly ignorant of the difficulties of the newly emancipated slave, but this did strike me as a new take on history.

    I consulted an ultrasound tech, who grew up in Georgia.. Her texted response:
    'slavery well...I think some had it ok maybe but most probably not.'

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    forward this to anyone who says we have conquered racism. unbelievable.
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    It's ironic that someone who could probably run off a long list of freedoms that Obama is supposedly taking away from us and be pretty upset about it can be so nonchalant about the most egregious deprivation of freedoms in this country's history. Assholes like this are the reasons I'm no longer a republican. Disgusting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pellegrino View Post
    forward this to anyone who says we have conquered racism. unbelievable.
    Right?
    The doctor--not that surprising. Like I said, he's a little obnoxious, likes to take controversial positions, etc (although this was new ground for him). But the ultrasound tech floored me--she's smart and articulate, and you would never guess she would be anything but shocked at his statement. I texted her mostly to tease her about her southern heritage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DU Ute View Post
    It's ironic that someone who could probably run off a long list of freedoms that Obama is supposedly taking away from us and be pretty upset about it can be so nonchalant about the most egregious deprivation of freedoms in this country's history. Assholes like this are the reasons I'm no longer a republican. Disgusting.
    Yeah, I'm sure that represents the average Republican's attitude towards slavery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy Coug View Post
    Yeah, I'm sure that represents the average Republican's attitude towards slavery.
    I didn't say that it did
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    You should have savagely whipped him for not getting enough work done and then asked him to revisit his stance on slavery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripletDaddy View Post
    You should have savagely whipped him for not getting enough work done and then asked him to revisit his stance on slavery.
    You've been brainwashed by Obama. That shit didn't happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DU Ute View Post
    I didn't say that it did
    I see. So you are swayed by the attitudes of a small minority to switch political parties. How soon can we expect another party switch from you when the opinions of a small percentage of your current party du jour offend your finer sensibilities?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripletDaddy View Post
    You should have savagely whipped him for not getting enough work done and then asked him to revisit his stance on slavery.
    I don't recommend this, the last thing you want is to have to chase a runaway doctor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy Coug View Post
    I see. So you are swayed by the attitudes of a small minority to switch political parties. How soon can we expect another party switch from you when the opinions of a small percentage of your current party du jour offend your finer sensibilities?
    I should have said they are one of the reasons. It is a minority, but generally they feel like it is a safe place to spout their views as long as they don't cross certain lines.
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    Derivative arguments:

    -slavery would have ended fairly soon, civil war was unnecessary

    -civil war had nothing to do with slavery, it was all about tariffs. (all the articles of secession mentioned slavery, none mentioned tariffs)

    -Yankees were responsible for Jim Crow era because of the way they went about Reconstruction.

    -South would have integrated schools, federal intervention was unnecessary

    This mindset is not uncommon.

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    I believe this belongs in one of FMCoug's Utah threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wuapinmon View Post
    I believe this belongs in one of FMCoug's Utah threads.
    You don't run into this kind of thinking in your neck of the woods?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DU Ute View Post
    You don't run into this kind of thinking in your neck of the woods?
    No, never. Racism here isn't for Mrazzes who watch Fox News. This is old-fashioned hate without any attempt to rationalize or justify it.

    No one would ever argue that slavery wasn't bad. They would argue that it ending was. That's the kind of racism I've seen in my life, and it's disgusting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wuapinmon View Post
    No, never. Racism here isn't for Mrazzes who watch Fox News. This is old-fashioned hate without any attempt to rationalize or justify it.

    No one would ever argue that slavery wasn't bad. They would argue that it ending was. That's the kind of racism I've seen in my life, and it's disgusting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wuapinmon View Post
    I believe this belongs in one of FMCoug's Utah threads.
    Except that I'm not in Utah.

    So actually, that probably is a good addition to fmcoug's thread.

    Further text exchange with ultrasound tech (from your neck of the woods...):
    Me: 'oh yeah! I keep forgetting you're a southern racist. Sorry for the slavery thing. You probably didn't catch the problem with the story.'
    Her: 'Ha. I guess I was thinking of that movie The Help. Great book too. It took place after slavery but...'
    Me: 'and you were thinking how you hate black people?'
    Her: 'well we can certainly argue about that another time .'

    ??? What is there to argue about???

    I'm really confused at this point. I thought it was pretty obvious that I was teasing her about a totally inappropriate response. But I'm not sure she gets it. And leaning back on my southern prejudice, I would think that if any southerner would get it, she would. I'm starting to wonder if plenty of y'all think like this, but are at least smart enough to know not to actually say it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ERCougar View Post
    Except that I'm not in Utah.

    So actually, that probably is a good addition to fmcoug's thread.

    Further text exchange with ultrasound tech (from your neck of the woods...):
    Me: 'oh yeah! I keep forgetting you're a southern racist. Sorry for the slavery thing. You probably didn't catch the problem with the story.'
    Her: 'Ha. I guess I was thinking of that movie The Help. Great book too. It took place after slavery but...'
    Me: 'and you were thinking how you hate black people?'
    Her: 'well we can certainly argue about that another time .'

    ??? What is there to argue about???

    I'm really confused at this point. I thought it was pretty obvious that I was teasing her about a totally inappropriate response. But I'm not sure she gets it. And leaning back on my southern prejudice, I would think that if any southerner would get it, she would. I'm starting to wonder if plenty of y'all think like this, but are at least smart enough to know not to actually say it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wuapinmon View Post
    John 8:1-8
    Why do you teach in parables?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ERCougar View Post
    Except that I'm not in Utah.

    So actually, that probably is a good addition to fmcoug's thread.

    Further text exchange with ultrasound tech (from your neck of the woods...):
    Me: 'oh yeah! I keep forgetting you're a southern racist. Sorry for the slavery thing. You probably didn't catch the problem with the story.'
    Her: 'Ha. I guess I was thinking of that movie The Help. Great book too. It took place after slavery but...'
    Me: 'and you were thinking how you hate black people?'
    Her: 'well we can certainly argue about that another time .'

    ??? What is there to argue about???

    I'm really confused at this point. I thought it was pretty obvious that I was teasing her about a totally inappropriate response. But I'm not sure she gets it. And leaning back on my southern prejudice, I would think that if any southerner would get it, she would. I'm starting to wonder if plenty of y'all think like this, but are at least smart enough to know not to actually say it.
    I think the medium is your problem. You can't read tone in a text.
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    I've seen far more repugnant racism in the West than anywhere I've ever lived. Unacknowledged racism....."I'm not racist, but..."

    Racism mixed with more than a little xenophobia
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    Quote Originally Posted by ERCougar View Post
    Why do you teach in parables?
    Why do you fall so easily to stereotypes about my home? It's really easy to sit far away in the West and snipe at situations and history that you've never had to face, to deal with, or to understand from an immersion perspective.

    marsupial could weigh in now that she's lived in the South for years. What do you say about the South, sup? Is it more racist than other places, or just more open and honest about it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wuapinmon View Post
    No, never. Racism here isn't for Mrazzes who watch Fox News. This is old-fashioned hate without any attempt to rationalize or justify it.

    No one would ever argue that slavery wasn't bad. They would argue that it ending was. That's the kind of racism I've seen in my life, and it's disgusting.
    Funny it was just the opposite in Alabama when I lived there. I rarely saw outright racism, although I did from time to time. However, plenty of people wanted to make their forbears not quite so bad and tried to sugarcoat the slavery experience, as not "so bad".

    I had a long argument with a woman who taught scores of balck children in her career and taught them well without a hint of racism and with genuine love between them tell me that slaves had it better. She was not trying to say that the horrors of Jim Crow were worse, but that it was not too awful at all. She concluded I was a Yankee.

    I am sure there is a grain of truth to this line of thinking that slavery was not so bad, in a bushel full of denial.

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    So emancipation was worse than slavery therefore slavery wasn't as bad as emancipation?



    Why was emancipation necessary? Because of slavery. Slavery NECESSITATED emancipation.

    The condition of emancipated peoples were in many ways worse than what they were during slavery. However, that doesn't mean slavery wasn't so bad. The conditions in which emancipated slaves suffered were created by and a direct result of slavery.

    I was required to take a diversity course while at the U. I decided to take a course that was offered through the honors program. I wish I could remember the name of the professor. He was fantastic. A good portion of the course did treat the subject of the poor conditions and challenges faced by emancipated slaves. Many of them did, indeed, live in worse circumstances than they did during slavery. (Many others did not.) However, that is no reason to claim that slavery was not so bad. That is idiotic as we all well know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wuapinmon View Post
    Why do you fall so easily to stereotypes about my home? It's really easy to sit far away in the West and snipe at situations and history that you've never had to face, to deal with, or to understand from an immersion perspective.

    marsupial could weigh in now that she's lived in the South for years. What do you say about the South, sup? Is it more racist than other places, or just more open and honest about it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPiney View Post
    Are you staying at the Clown Motel?
    Ha...nope. Sure sign I'll have hit bottom at that point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wuapinmon View Post
    Is it more racist than other places, or just more open and honest about it?
    Seriously? Its more open and honest? Hard to believe you said this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    Seriously? Its more open and honest? Hard to believe you said this.
    It's a euphemism for more brazen and less inhibited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy Coug View Post
    It's a euphemism for more brazen and less inhibited.
    a.k.a "drunker"
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