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    Just curious, what kind of fuel belt do you use? I tried one, but if I didn't have it strapped very tight, the bottle kept bouncing around and falling out, but when I strapped it tight enought that it didn't bounce, it bothered my back. This is the one I had.

    http://www.mysaltlakerunningco.com/s...AAIABDADGKHGEC

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    I usually run an out and back route, with only about 5 miles on pavement. I put water bottles out every mile or two, and it works until the temps are in the high 90's. Then I have to be careful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewth8tr View Post
    Just curious, what kind of fuel belt do you use? I tried one, but if I didn't have it strapped very tight, the bottle kept bouncing around and falling out, but when I strapped it tight enought that it didn't bounce, it bothered my back. This is the one I had.

    http://www.mysaltlakerunningco.com/s...AAIABDADGKHGEC
    I have this one.

    http://www.mysaltlakerunningco.com/s...AAAAIMGDDLJOEC

    It worked well for a year or more, but now I rarely use it because it got stretched out and doesn't fit very well. Also, I've had to wear it kind of tight so it won't bounce around. (wow, just reread that. If you didn't know I was talking about a fuel belt, this post would be kind of weird)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Chicken View Post
    I have this one.

    http://www.mysaltlakerunningco.com/s...AAAAIMGDDLJOEC

    It worked well for a year or more, but now I rarely use it because it got stretched out and doesn't fit very well. Also, I've had to wear it kind of tight so it won't bounce around. (wow, just reread that. If you didn't know I was talking about a fuel belt, this post would be kind of weird)
    Thats the same belt I use. I love it. No complaints at all over the past couple of years. But then again, I don't put on Sea Chicken mileage, so I may just have to give it time before it wears out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegoose View Post
    Thats the same belt I use. I love it. No complaints at all over the past couple of years. But then again, I don't put on Sea Chicken mileage, so I may just have to give it time before it wears out.
    I'll have to try it then, I want to have something for my longs runs for both the water as well as a pouch for gels.

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    I'm amazed that you guys can get by on 20 oz. of water for a 20 mile run. When I take my Camelbak with me, I'm sucking out the last drops during the last mile. That's 70 ounces. I must have hyperactive sweat glands or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beelzebabette View Post
    Early on in my training for my first marathon, I misjudged how much water I needed to consume at a stop around mile 8 and passed out a couple of miles further down the Provo River Trail.
    It was a great lesson for me in what my body demands
    I've been on the brink of that, but thankfully I've never passed out.

    I didn't take any water or gel with me on my first 20 miler when I was training for my first marathon. I was a complete idiot about it. About 10-11 miles in, I was completely spent, I just couldn't go anymore. Everything got really bright and my ears started to ring. The thought of getting a drink of water out of the gutter actually crossed my mind. It was one of the most ridiculous situations I've ever put myself in. I found a tree to sit under for awhile and finally recovered enough to get moving, but I still had a 9 mile walk home. Like you, I learned a lot about what my body has to have to function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teenage Dirtbag View Post
    I've been on the brink of that, but thankfully I've never passed out.

    I didn't take any water or gel with me on my first 20 miler when I was training for my first marathon. I was a complete idiot about it. About 10-11 miles in, I was completely spent, I just couldn't go anymore. Everything got really bright and my ears started to ring. The thought of getting a drink of water out of the gutter actually crossed my mind. It was one of the most ridiculous situations I've ever put myself in. I found a tree to sit under for awhile and finally recovered enough to get moving, but I still had a 9 mile walk home. Like you, I learned a lot about what my body has to have to function.
    On my worst bonk, I was lucky enough to have a phone with me. My wife found me staggering down a dirt road, gazing longingly at the irrigation water in a ditch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Chicken View Post
    On my worst bonk, I was lucky enough to have a phone with me. My wife found me staggering down a dirt road, gazing longingly at the irrigation water in a ditch.
    That is a great image. Last weekend I went running along the canal and after 6 miles had to dunk my head to cool off a bit. I have tried the belts and I don't like them. Maybe that is why I am destined to run under 10 miles eternally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPiney View Post
    I have tried the belts and I don't like them. Maybe that is why I am destined to run under 10 miles eternally.
    I don't either. I had an amphipod belt and the bottles kept falling out. My Fuel Belt was ok, but the bottles are too small and every once in a while the velcro will just let go, scattering the bottles and my mp3 player everywhere. I've decided it's just easier to put the liquid on my back and go. I don't think a convenient way to hydrate on a long run even exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teenage Dirtbag View Post
    I'm amazed that you guys can get by on 20 oz. of water for a 20 mile run. When I take my Camelbak with me, I'm sucking out the last drops during the last mile. That's 70 ounces. I must have hyperactive sweat glands or something.
    On my long runs last year, because I was nursing an injury I ran on some dirt trails near my house that included a 4 mile loop. Each pass I would stop by my car and refill the water bottles. I probably downed them 4 or 5 times each on the 20 miler.

    This past Saturday I easily drained 20 oz in 5 miles.

    I've never tried a Camelbak running. Thats seems like it would be awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegoose View Post
    I've never tried a Camelbak running. Thats seems like it would be awful.
    It's not ideal, I will admit, but it's really not too bad after some of the weight is gone. The most annoying thing is that it chafes my neck. There's no other way for me to bring even close to enough liquid. Once I start running, stopping to refill or for any other reason is not an option. I just want to keep going and get it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teenage Dirtbag View Post
    I'm amazed that you guys can get by on 20 oz. of water for a 20 mile run. When I take my Camelbak with me, I'm sucking out the last drops during the last mile. That's 70 ounces. I must have hyperactive sweat glands or something.
    If you drink 70 ounces, do you have to stop to pee along the way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Chicken View Post
    If you drink 70 ounces, do you have to stop to pee along the way?
    He just lets it go mid stride. He is hard core like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPiney View Post
    He just lets it go mid stride. He is hard core like that.
    Followup question: Does letting it go mid stride cause chaffing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Chicken View Post
    If you drink 70 ounces, do you have to stop to pee along the way?
    No, not usually. I'm telling you man, I sweat like a whore in church.

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    Today was a weird day. I couldn't run before sunrise like I normally do because my son had surgery on a hernia this morning, then mid afternoon the Garmin 305 my wife gave me was delivered, so I put off running again so that I could charge it up and use it today, then by the time I got out, it was 7 pm and 83 degrees outside. I ended up running 3 miles in 33:19 for an average pace of 11:06/mile. My avg heat rate was 165 bpm, though with the heat bearing down on me, it reached a high of 185 bpm at the end of the run.

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    Today's run sucked. Yesterday was a rest day and I was off work, so I decided to get some yard work done that I had been neglecting (mostly clearing out the growth along a fence along the side of my house). I don't know what got into me, but I just kept going and I ended up being out there for about 12 hours. I could barely move when I got out of bed this morning, but after some stretching, I got out there and ran although I had to keep the pace a bit slower than I wanted. I ended up running 7 miles, but at an 11:33 pace and an avg 164 bpm.

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    Today's run sucked for me as well. I started too late (9:30ish) and it was already about 90 degrees. I had planned to do 6 or 7 but cut it short because I didn't wear my fuel belt and at mile 2 I was already sweating like Richard Gere's gerbil. On the plus side I found myself in the midst of a stragglers group of women trying to finish out a beginner's 5k. As I passed through them I felt like I had Steve Prefontaine speed.

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    I went trail running today with 4 of the 5 people who will be in my van for the relay. It was fun, but man, trail running is hard work. I suck at hills very badly. We only went 6.5 miles in 1:20. One of the slower guys in the group took a wrong turn and ended up in Utah County. Good times.

    I bought a 50 oz. Cambelbak yesterday to take with me on some of the shorter runs, and it worked out great.




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    I ran a marathon this morning. It's called the Sea Chicken's an Idiot marathon. When I left for my 20-miler this morning I really wasn't feeling it. Tired, not motivated, etc. But somewhere along the way, I must have started feeling it because I took a couple of detours just to stretch things out a bit and by the time I got home I was at 24 and a half miles. So I got a drink of water and told my wife I'd be back in about ten minutes "I got something I gotta do." Then I took a lap around the subdivision to get the full 26.2 in. My total running time was 3:54:07, but that was with pausing the iPod at convenience stores to buy water. And I didn't even get a T-shirt.

    The dirtbag comments this week got me thinking that I needed to hydrate more, so I stopped at a convenience store at miles 6 and 12 and bought water. Then I stopped again at 18 and bought Gatorade. I also bought a Powerbar at the 6 mile stop. I ate half there and took bites here and there along the rest of the run. And I sucked down a gel at 18.

    I feel reasonable well now. No worse than after my previous 20-milers.
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    Nice work Chicken. Not quite as good as my 4 miler this morning, but hey, you can only do so much.

    As I mentioned in the bike forum, I went out for a 32 mile bike ride this morning. When we got back, my wife and her friend were still not back from their meeting and the babysitter looked like she was still holding together fairly well.

    So my buddy and I strapped on the running shoes and headed out for a short run. It was already over 90 degrees by that time, so I took a water bottle along.

    Man, the heat is killing me. I usually finish my exercise by 7:00 or 8:00 am, and it is rarely over 75 degrees. This morning my HR shot up and stayed up the entire 4 miles. My anaerobic threshold is about 168bpm. After the first mile, my HR stayed about 170 the rest of the run. I was sweating like crazy and started to get the chills toward the end. My legs were a little tired from the ride, but otherwise felt fairly well.

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    I can't believe I wasted a line as good as "sweating like Richard Gere's gerbil" in the running forum where nobody got to see it. That was good stuff and I got nothing. Nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelBlue View Post
    I was already sweating like Richard Gere's gerbil.
    Ha Ha! Good one!

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    Had a pretty good run this morning. It was hot, though. A couple of miles in, I was sweating like OJ Simpson at a Goldman Family Reunion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teenage Dirtbag View Post
    Had a pretty good run this morning. It was hot, though. A couple of miles in, I was sweating like OJ Simpson at a Goldman Family Reunion.
    This could be fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Chicken View Post
    I ran a marathon this morning. It's called the Sea Chicken's an Idiot marathon. When I left for my 20-miler this morning I really wasn't feeling it. Tired, not motivated, etc. But somewhere along the way, I must have started feeling it because I took a couple of detours just to stretch things out a bit and by the time I got home I was at 24 and a half miles. So I got a drink of water and told my wife I'd be back in about ten minutes "I got something I gotta do." Then I took a lap around the subdivision to get the full 26.2 in. My total running time was 3:54:07, but that was with pausing the iPod at convenience stores to buy water. And I didn't even get a T-shirt.

    The dirtbag comments this week got me thinking that I needed to hydrate more, so I stopped at a convenience store at miles 6 and 12 and bought water. Then I stopped again at 18 and bought Gatorade. I also bought a Powerbar at the 6 mile stop. I ate half there and took bites here and there along the rest of the run. And I sucked down a gel at 18.

    I feel reasonable well now. No worse than after my previous 20-milers.
    I am still trying to mentally comprehend the amount of miles you are running right now. I am running more than I ever have in my life. I'm running five days a week. I put in 11 miles on my long run one week ago. And you have run just about TRIPLE what I have in two weeks. You are an absolute machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikuman View Post
    I am still trying to mentally comprehend the amount of miles you are running right now. I am running more than I ever have in my life. I'm running five days a week. I put in 11 miles on my long run one week ago. And you have run just about TRIPLE what I have in two weeks. You are an absolute machine.
    You'll get used to SeaChicken kicking the crap out of you in Nike distance challenges before too long. The only way to have a chance against him is to make speed the deciding factor and even then he'll be near the top. BigPiney (I was feeling pretty good, looked down and saw I was running 4 minute miles) usually takes the speed challenges though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelBlue View Post
    You'll get used to SeaChicken kicking the crap out of you in Nike distance challenges before too long. The only way to have a chance against him is to make speed the deciding factor and even then he'll be near the top. BigPiney (I was feeling pretty good, looked down and saw I was running 4 minute miles) usually takes the speed challenges though.
    Either way, I don't have much of a hope. If I really kill myself I could maybe do a 5k in 22:30 or so. Maybe, on a good day after a day of rest with a tailwind and a temperature of 55 or lower, with Freddy Kruger chasing after me at a 22:31 pace.

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    If any of you are interested I blog my runs at http://court.fastrunningblog.com/

    It's not the most exciting read, but once in a while something interesting happens like falling on my ass or stepping on a dead cat.

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