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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    Did 3 today at noon. 94 degrees. Headwind. You get the picture.

    I'm amazed at the effect that heat has on my heart rate. Average heart rate was 5 bpms higher and my pace was about 5 seconds slower.
    That's about how mine went. Too hot. I've gotta get out earlier from now on.
    In the Pfitzinger book I quoted from the other night, he says your heart rate will increase on warm days because of dehydration, and because your heart is sending more blood to the skin to aid in cooling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikuman View Post
    Okay, I just created a challenge. Most miles over 30 days, starting tomorrow. I think I invited everybody, but I may have missed people. If you can't find the invite on nike+, send me a PM with your email address and I'll send out an invite.
    Quick! Everyone check the nikeplus CUF challenge. Because this will be the last time that you will see me at the top of the leaderboard.

    (Only because no one else has synced their ipods yet from this morning's runs.)

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    3 miles this morning. Felt good.

    I'm sorry guys, but I've got to bow out of the Nike+ challenge. It took me all of 2 minutes to remember why I stopped using it. I bought a little Sansa Clip that I've been running with for the past few months, and it's tiny. Compared to it, the ipod feels like I have a brick attached to my waist. I can't stand it.

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    I put in my second long run of the year this morning. 20.5 miles, 62.2 miles for the week. The thing about a long run is that it's only the last 3 or 4 miles that count, it just takes all stinkin' morning to get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Chicken View Post
    I put in my second long run of the year this morning. 20.5 miles, 62.2 miles for the week. The thing about a long run is that it's only the last 3 or 4 miles that count, it just takes all stinkin' morning to get there.
    My long run is 6. Nice thing about Higdon's novice program is that it starts you out easy. Just headed out now; I'll return and report this afternoon.

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    I ran my long run this morning, 6.04 miles averaging a 10:56 pace. I am no where neer the pace I would like to be at right now, but I don't want to push too hard here at the start and hurt myself. I'd like to run the marathon somewhere around a 9:30-10 pace, but we will see. I ran the Provo River half a couple years ago at a 10:14 pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    I use the Garmin 305 and love it. It's great for biking and hiking too, so I can cross train with it. It's worth the money.
    I was going to wait a little closer to Fathers Day, but this morning when I came back from my run, my wife told me that I should buy it today to help with my training. I just bought the 305 at costco.com for 169.99. Nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Chicken View Post
    I put in my second long run of the year this morning. 20.5 miles, 62.2 miles for the week. The thing about a long run is that it's only the last 3 or 4 miles that count, it just takes all stinkin' morning to get there.
    Why did I ever think I had a chance in the competition? I just had the best, longest run of my entire life (DDD, I did run with my shirt off) and I still am like 20 miles behind you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewth8tr View Post
    I ran my long run this morning, 6.04 miles averaging a 10:56 pace. I am no where neer the pace I would like to be at right now, but I don't want to push too hard here at the start and hurt myself. I'd like to run the marathon somewhere around a 9:30-10 pace, but we will see. I ran the Provo River half a couple years ago at a 10:14 pace.
    Sounds like you're right on track. I just finished 6 at a 10:15 pace. Heart rate 162, right where it needed to be. That puts me somewhere between an 8:45 and 9:30 marathon pace, which is a little slower than I'd like, but it's not bad for the first week of training. I'll sacrifice pace to stay healthy.

    Congrats on the 305. You won't regret it.

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    cowboy, you've inspired me. I think I'm going to get a HRM and try training by heart rate. I've never really done that.

    I got in 7 today. It was supposed to be 8, but I was really struggling and decided to cut it short. I don't think I ate enough yesterday.

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    My week #1 (all of these included hill work):

    Mon: 3 miles, 9:26 ave
    Tue: 5 miles, 9:47 ave
    Wed: 3 miles, 9:24 ave
    Thu: off
    Fri: 5 miles, 8:54 ave
    Sat: 8 miles, 9:25 ave
    Total: 24 miles

    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    Sounds like you're right on track. I just finished 6 at a 10:15 pace. Heart rate 162, right where it needed to be. That puts me somewhere between an 8:45 and 9:30 marathon pace, which is a little slower than I'd like, but it's not bad for the first week of training. I'll sacrifice pace to stay healthy.

    Congrats on the 305. You won't regret it.
    Cowboy, how do you estimate what your marathon pace will be?
    Last edited by scottie; 05-23-2009 at 09:07 PM.

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    I don't think there's a gadget I own that I like better or use more than my 305. Totally worth the money.

    Although that 405 is really cool looking. It had some early bad reviews but every one of my friends who has one loves it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottie View Post
    Cowboy, how do you estimate what your marathon pace will be?
    If you are running your long run in the correct heart rate zone, your marathon pace will be 45 to 90 seconds faster than your long run pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    If you are running your long run in the correct heart rate zone, your marathon pace will be 45 to 90 seconds faster than your long run pace.
    How do you know what your correct heart rate zone is? Is there a book or a website you recommend to learn more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERCougar View Post
    I don't think there's a gadget I own that I like better or use more than my 305. Totally worth the money.

    Although that 405 is really cool looking. It had some early bad reviews but every one of my friends who has one loves it.
    The wireless sync looks really cool on that, but when I compared the features and what I am using it for, I couldn't justify the extra cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottie View Post
    How do you know what your correct heart rate zone is? Is there a book or a website you recommend to learn more?
    http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showthread.php?t=5257

    The Pete Pfitzinger book I read is called "Advanced Marathoning".

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    Saturday morning we took the kids hiking in the woods not far from our house. We had a great time and the kids did very well despite the 90 degree heat. Several creek crossings made it more bearable. 4.5 miles total with about 1,500 feet elevation gain total.

    Feeling the marathon breathing down my neck, I decided to go for a run when we got home. So I strapped on my hydration hip pack and headed out in the afternoon heat. It was about 91 degrees with a slight breeze when I left.

    My perceived exertion stayed pretty consistent, but my HR gradually crept up over the 5+ miles. It started out around 155, and was at 171 by the time I finished. And I emptied both of my 10 oz hip flasks along the way. Fatigued and a headache for the rest of the evening and a good part of the weekend. Probably not a very bright thing to do when I was already a bit dehydrated from the earlier hike. Lesson learned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegoose View Post
    Feeling the marathon breathing down my neck, I decided to go for a run when we got home. So I strapped on my hydration hip pack and headed out in the afternoon heat. It was about 91 degrees with a slight breeze when I left.

    My perceived exertion stayed pretty consistent, but my HR gradually crept up over the 5+ miles. It started out around 155, and was at 171 by the time I finished. And I emptied both of my 10 oz hip flasks along the way. Fatigued and a headache for the rest of the evening and a good part of the weekend. Probably not a very bright thing to do when I was already a bit dehydrated from the earlier hike. Lesson learned.
    The heat is a killer to me. I'm a very salty sweater, I'm covered in salt by the end of my long runs. I've learned my lesson well after several hardcore wall crashes, including one where I was 9 miles from home. I take a 70 oz. Camelbak on my long runs in the summer, and I drink freely. It's bulky at first, but after a couple of miles I don't notice it, and it's much better than the alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teenage Dirtbag View Post
    The heat is a killer to me. I'm a very salty sweater, I'm covered in salt by the end of my long runs. I've learned my lesson well after several hardcore wall crashes, including one where I was 9 miles from home. I take a 70 oz. Camelbak on my long runs in the summer, and I drink freely. It's bulky at first, but after a couple of miles I don't notice it, and it's much better than the alternative.
    I might have to start doing this. I went running for what was supposed to be 6 miles on Saturday. I felt so good it turned into 11. But I didn't have any water and I paid the price for a long run in the afternoon of Houston heat. I almost went off to the hospital to get an IV that evening because I was so messed up. Lesson learned for me too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikuman View Post
    I might have to start doing this. I went running for what was supposed to be 6 miles on Saturday. I felt so good it turned into 11. But I didn't have any water and I paid the price for a long run in the afternoon of Houston heat. I almost went off to the hospital to get an IV that evening because I was so messed up. Lesson learned for me too.
    I don't envy you. Last summer while I was training for the Pocatello Marathon, my boss sent me to Houston for three weeks. I thought I was going to die. I ran through a sprinkler at 5am and the water was warm.

    So far this year I've been able to get through my two 20-milers with just stopping at a convenience store for a bottle of Gatorade at mile 13. Later in the summer I'll have to take more drastic measures, but I hate carrying water on a long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Chicken View Post
    I don't envy you. Last summer while I was training for the Pocatello Marathon, my boss sent me to Houston for three weeks. I thought I was going to die. I ran through a sprinkler at 5am and the water was warm.

    So far this year I've been able to get through my two 20-milers with just stopping at a convenience store for a bottle of Gatorade at mile 13. Later in the summer I'll have to take more drastic measures, but I hate carrying water on a long run.
    I'm used to the humidity and I regularly do my shorter runs in the heat of the day, although I do tend to run more after dark than otherwise.

    I think I'm going to use your strategy for my longer runs. My (scheduled) 10+ runs are going to be on some running trails in a populated area with plenty of drug stores, so I will probably stop and buy a gatorade once or twice along the way. I really need to stop this "run farther because I feel good thing" though - it freaks out my wife. I tell her I'm going to run for 50-60 minutes and end up being gone for an hour and 45 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikuman View Post
    I really need to stop this "run farther because I feel good thing" though - it freaks out my wife. I tell her I'm going to run for 50-60 minutes and end up being gone for an hour and 45 minutes.
    Seriously, I'd be freaked if Gidget did the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfah View Post
    Seriously, I'd be freaked if Gidget did the same.
    I've done it enough now that she doesn't chide me too much. I run in our development so I'm never more than a couple of miles from home if I have to bee-line it, and I run on paths instead of roads so chances of a car strike are small. She gets mad, honestly, because my extra distance messes with her schedule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikuman View Post
    I've done it enough now that she doesn't chide me too much. I run in our development so I'm never more than a couple of miles from home if I have to bee-line it, and I run on paths instead of roads so chances of a car strike are small. She gets mad, honestly, because my extra distance messes with her schedule.
    Gidget only stays in our neighborhood too. But there are no sidewalks or paths so you have to run in the street which isn't the widest thing. Fortunately, there are quite a bit of walkers/runners and kids about that drivers are very courteous and watchful. But I did chide her the other day when I caught up to her with our daughter in the stroller and because she was blasting the iPod she had no clue I was beside her for about 10 seconds. She shrieked and jumped off the road when she finally saw us in her peripheral vision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfah View Post
    Gidget only stays in our neighborhood too. But there are no sidewalks or paths so you have to run in the street which isn't the widest thing. Fortunately, there are quite a bit of walkers/runners and kids about that drivers are very courteous and watchful. But I did chide her the other day when I caught up to her with our daughter in the stroller and because she was blasting the iPod she had no clue I was beside her for about 10 seconds. She shrieked and jumped off the road when she finally saw us in her peripheral vision.
    When I'm running with my iPod, you couldn't rouse me out of my groove with a nuclear weapon. That can be a bad thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Chicken View Post
    So far this year I've been able to get through my two 20-milers with just stopping at a convenience store for a bottle of Gatorade at mile 13. Later in the summer I'll have to take more drastic measures, but I hate carrying water on a long run.
    I don't know how you do it. If I wait until I'm 13 miles in to a 20 miler to take a drink, I'm not going to make it to 20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikuman View Post
    I might have to start doing this. I went running for what was supposed to be 6 miles on Saturday. I felt so good it turned into 11. But I didn't have any water and I paid the price for a long run in the afternoon of Houston heat. I almost went off to the hospital to get an IV that evening because I was so messed up. Lesson learned for me too.
    I started wearing a fuel belt after getting really dehydrated on a 14 mile run with bluegoose last summer. We got started too late and before mile 6 temps were in the 90's. I felt fine until mile 11 when all of the sudden my heart rate shot up and I couldn't bring it down by slowing my pace. I bid adieu to the goose and sucked down as much water as I could at a drinking fountain in a nearby park. It was too late. I finished the run but had to walk a ton and actually started to get fearful that I was going to need medical attention. Goosebumps in hot weather along with insatiable thirst and a really rapid heart rate. I ended up with a headache the rest of the day but that was about it for consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelBlue View Post
    Goosebumps in hot weather along with insatiable thirst and a really rapid heart rate. I ended up with a headache the rest of the day but that was about it for consequences.
    I didn't have the heart rate or headache issues, but I did have the goosebumps and pretty wild nausea/diarrhea. It passed after about an hour and half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teenage Dirtbag View Post
    I don't know how you do it. If I wait until I'm 13 miles in to a 20 miler to take a drink, I'm not going to make it to 20.
    Sometimes I'm just not that bright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikuman View Post
    I didn't have the heart rate or headache issues, but I did have the goosebumps and pretty wild nausea/diarrhea. It passed after about an hour and half.
    Early on in my training for my first marathon, I misjudged how much water I needed to consume at a stop around mile 8 and passed out a couple of miles further down the Provo River Trail. I was less than a quarter mile from the next water fountain so I eventually made my way down there and took a break then took a couple of hours to walk the three miles to my car.

    It was a great lesson for me in what my body demands (in addition to being a little amazed at the number of people I watched walk by giving me funny looks as I came to laying in the leaves a couple of feet below the trail). Hopefully, you learned from the experience as I'm guessing the consequences would be a lot more severe in Houston than in Provo Canyon.

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