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    Major bummer, Moliere, but a good decision to live to fight another day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Well, the marathon isn't gonna happen this time. I've been battling knee problems both on the side of the knee and under the patella. These all came on after the 20 miler. I've seen an IT Band specialist and am still working with him. Things are improving but there's no way I can make it 26.2 miles on my knee on Saturday. I did 2 miles this morning and it started to hurt around 1.5 miles. By the end of the 2 miles the pain wasn't sharp but I can't imagine doing another 24 miles on it. Needless to say, I'm going to shut it down for a bit (except for when my doc tells me to run) and try again another time.

    It's incredibly frustrating to do all the training and to miss out on the race. I could probably tough out a half marathon but honestly staying healthy and being able to continue to run in the near future is more important than finishing a marathon this year. I don't know if I'll train for another marathon as this one took a lot out of me both physically (with the injuries) and mentally (with the disappointment) but I can only imagine that come fall my outlook will probably change and you'll see me out running 12-16 milers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Well, the marathon isn't gonna happen this time. I've been battling knee problems both on the side of the knee and under the patella. These all came on after the 20 miler. I've seen an IT Band specialist and am still working with him. Things are improving but there's no way I can make it 26.2 miles on my knee on Saturday. I did 2 miles this morning and it started to hurt around 1.5 miles. By the end of the 2 miles the pain wasn't sharp but I can't imagine doing another 24 miles on it. Needless to say, I'm going to shut it down for a bit (except for when my doc tells me to run) and try again another time.

    It's incredibly frustrating to do all the training and to miss out on the race. I could probably tough out a half marathon but honestly staying healthy and being able to continue to run in the near future is more important than finishing a marathon this year. I don't know if I'll train for another marathon as this one took a lot out of me both physically (with the injuries) and mentally (with the disappointment) but I can only imagine that come fall my outlook will probably change and you'll see me out running 12-16 milers.
    Unhappy news - I was looking forward to chatting the entire time on your way to a triumphant finish. IT bands are tough. But your day will yet come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Well, the marathon isn't gonna happen this time. I've been battling knee problems both on the side of the knee and under the patella. These all came on after the 20 miler. I've seen an IT Band specialist and am still working with him. Things are improving but there's no way I can make it 26.2 miles on my knee on Saturday. I did 2 miles this morning and it started to hurt around 1.5 miles. By the end of the 2 miles the pain wasn't sharp but I can't imagine doing another 24 miles on it. Needless to say, I'm going to shut it down for a bit (except for when my doc tells me to run) and try again another time.

    It's incredibly frustrating to do all the training and to miss out on the race. I could probably tough out a half marathon but honestly staying healthy and being able to continue to run in the near future is more important than finishing a marathon this year. I don't know if I'll train for another marathon as this one took a lot out of me both physically (with the injuries) and mentally (with the disappointment) but I can only imagine that come fall my outlook will probably change and you'll see me out running 12-16 milers.
    Damn.

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    Dang. Sorry to hear about that, moliere.

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    You didn't miss much Moliere. 80 degrees and 90 percent humidity. Unbelievably hot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheidippides View Post
    You didn't miss much Moliere. 80 degrees and 90 percent humidity. Unbelievably hot.
    Ha, that's what I heard. My ward buddy said it was tough and with his knee pain he almost quit. He toughed it out and finished.

    I'm still feeling bummed but I'll be over it once my leg gets good enough I can do some good miles on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Ha, that's what I heard. My ward buddy said it was tough and with his knee pain he almost quit. He toughed it out and finished.

    I'm still feeling bummed but I'll be over it once my leg gets good enough I can do some good miles on it.
    Your buddy saved another buddy from quitting too. Nasty tough day - tougher than anything I've raced in save the ironman.

    I have some minor Achilles inflammation now and am going to take a bit of time off from running.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheidippides View Post
    Your buddy saved another buddy from quitting too. Nasty tough day - tougher than anything I've raced in save the ironman.

    I have some minor Achilles inflammation now and am going to take a bit of time off from running.
    Time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottie View Post
    Time?
    I was pacing for friends this time. Aiming for a 4:00 finish but the last guy melted down at mile 23. Came in at 4:04 because I stopped with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheidippides View Post
    I was pacing for friends this time. Aiming for a 4:00 finish but the last guy melted down at mile 23. Came in at 4:04 because I stopped with him.
    Wow. I have been doing lots better with my fitness the last 6 months. I do not think I could do something like that. My feet and knees are killing and I am only running a few miles 3 times a week.

    That is cool of you to pace for a buddy on a marathon. He must be a good friend.

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    RW has an article up on what traits will come into play for a man to break the 2:00 barrier in the marathon.

    http://rw.runnersworld.com/sub-2/
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    I signed up for a marathon this fall. Not sure what would possess me to do so other than peer pressure, but I am going to give this another shot.

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    A saturday marathon in California, and it has major downhill. Which is good and bad. I do have the hills around here for the training, just drive up the hill and run home. I figured they worked well enough to train for climbing for the Death Ride, I guess they can work to get my legs ready for the pounding of 13 miles of tough downhill.

    So 27 weeks to go.

    Last saturday I did my first downhill training. I plan on doing one every 2 or 3 weeks. This was 6 miles easy, with about 1500 ft of descent. Even taking it easy, I was averaging a 7:00 min/mile on the steep parts. Should interesting as I up the distance.

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    That looks like a quad killer to me. I was amazed at how fast, but painful, St George was. This looks even steeper than St George or Logan.

    My wife just found out this morning that she got into St George again. This will be probably 6 or 7 times there for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegoose View Post
    That looks like a quad killer to me. I was amazed at how fast, but painful, St George was. This looks even steeper than St George or Logan.

    My wife just found out this morning that she got into St George again. This will be probably 6 or 7 times there for her.
    Did they release the lottery already? Thought that wasn't until Monday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheidippides View Post
    Did they release the lottery already? Thought that wasn't until Monday.
    I think they usually release it the first Friday night of May at around 5:00pm. We often head over to the coast for a bike ride that weekend, so the girls are anxiously awaiting the 5:00 release time.

    All I know is I got an excited text this morning saying that she was in. Already has the condo booked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPiney View Post

    A saturday marathon in California, and it has major downhill.
    A friend is trying to convince me to do Santa Barbara the weekend after this one. They both sound miserable to me, as does any marathon at this point in my training cycle (non-existent, btw).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegoose View Post
    I think they usually release it the first Friday night of May at around 5:00pm. We often head over to the coast for a bike ride that weekend, so the girls are anxiously awaiting the 5:00 release time.

    All I know is I got an excited text this morning saying that she was in. Already has the condo booked.
    The email went to my junk folder. I'm in too. They didn't even have the full 7800 sign up so everybody got in and they are doing late registration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheidippides View Post
    The email went to my junk folder. I'm in too. They didn't even have the full 7800 sign up so everybody got in and they are doing late registration.
    Hmm. Good to know.
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    I want to be a professional runner and want some guidance to start with? What would be the start of my career? Guide me once i will pick the grip soon in running and then show up myself in national marathon race.
    Start by running around the block. Then run around 2 blocks. Then 3 and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    Start by running around the block. Then run around 2 blocks. Then 3 and so on.

    You're welcome.
    That is more the start of her training. I would think her career would start with some crappy company sponsoring her, maybe a local port-a-potty or pest control company, then placing in some charity 5ks will start pulling in the big bucks.
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    Well, i think I've done my last marathon. I'm convinced that 200 lb bodies are just not compatible with fast marathons. The hydration/energy requirements are just too much. I've done high mileage plans, low mileage plans, and everything in between, and I'm just not going to get any faster. This last marathon I paced myself well, felt as good as I'd ever felt at mile 20 so I decided to pick the pace up a little. Within a quarter of a mile, I was sick. And the wheels just fell off. 3:30 was not going to happen, but 3:35 could have, I think. But that's still 20 minutes off of BQ time which is the whole reason I cared about time in the first place.

    Beautiful course though and great company before and after though. And I just like being around runners. Triathletes are cool, cyclists are fine, but both tend to get gearhead-y. Runners are just having fun outside. I may do another marathon someday, but next time, it's just for fun. I'll buy my way into Boston, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ERCougar View Post
    Well, i think I've done my last marathon. I'm convinced that 200 lb bodies are just not compatible with fast marathons. The hydration/energy requirements are just too much. I've done high mileage plans, low mileage plans, and everything in between, and I'm just not going to get any faster. This last marathon I paced myself well, felt as good as I'd ever felt at mile 20 so I decided to pick the pace up a little. Within a quarter of a mile, I was sick. And the wheels just fell off. 3:30 was not going to happen, but 3:35 could have, I think. But that's still 20 minutes off of BQ time which is the whole reason I cared about time in the first place.

    Beautiful course though and great company before and after though. And I just like being around runners. Triathletes are cool, cyclists are fine, but both tend to get gearhead-y. Runners are just having fun outside. I may do another marathon someday, but next time, it's just for fun. I'll buy my way into Boston, I guess.
    Wait, you did a marathon recently? I don't think I knew that. Deets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ERCougar View Post
    Well, i think I've done my last marathon. I'm convinced that 200 lb bodies are just not compatible with fast marathons. The hydration/energy requirements are just too much. I've done high mileage plans, low mileage plans, and everything in between, and I'm just not going to get any faster. This last marathon I paced myself well, felt as good as I'd ever felt at mile 20 so I decided to pick the pace up a little. Within a quarter of a mile, I was sick. And the wheels just fell off. 3:30 was not going to happen, but 3:35 could have, I think. But that's still 20 minutes off of BQ time which is the whole reason I cared about time in the first place.

    Beautiful course though and great company before and after though. And I just like being around runners. Triathletes are cool, cyclists are fine, but both tend to get gearhead-y. Runners are just having fun outside. I may do another marathon someday, but next time, it's just for fun. I'll buy my way into Boston, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegoose View Post
    Wait, you did a marathon recently? I don't think I knew that. Deets?
    Yeah, Sunday. Beautiful weather, beautiful course finishing on Ventura Beach. Maybe I'll write up a race report if I get some time. The lack of organization was a little funny, but they can't all be St George.
    On the whole, a definite must do race--just do the half.

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    This article made me think of this thread

    http://postgradproblems.com/shut-up-...your-marathon/
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    Quote Originally Posted by ERCougar View Post
    Well, i think I've done my last marathon. I'm convinced that 200 lb bodies are just not compatible with fast marathons. The hydration/energy requirements are just too much. I've done high mileage plans, low mileage plans, and everything in between, and I'm just not going to get any faster. This last marathon I paced myself well, felt as good as I'd ever felt at mile 20 so I decided to pick the pace up a little. Within a quarter of a mile, I was sick. And the wheels just fell off. 3:30 was not going to happen, but 3:35 could have, I think. But that's still 20 minutes off of BQ time which is the whole reason I cared about time in the first place.
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    Running my second marathon this weekend. Two things I am trying to figure out still even thought the race is only 48 hours away.

    This a downhill race that loses a lot of elevation. I am thinking of using the downhill to my advantage and running the first 1/2 and an easy pace, but also one that at least 30 sec/mile faster than my goal pace. Then my hope is that I can run somewhat close to my goal pace for the second half and limp home to a qualifying time. My friend has had bad experiences trying to do that and he says that I will fry my legs and not be able to run the second half. But we have done some good downhill training and I feel like I am as prepared as I could be. What are people's experience with steeper races?

    Also due to the drop in elevation. It is forecast to be in the low 30's at race start, but could be almost 70 at the finish. Having a hard time deciding what to wear when it could warm up 40 degrees during the race. Have the trow away gloves and hat already, but thinking about wearing a long sleeve.

    My wife, who is running this with me and will most likely beat me, has had knee pain for a while now. She got an MRI this week and they said she has partial tears of the MCL and PCL and minor stress fractures. So not it will be even more demoralizing when she beats me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPiney View Post
    Running my second marathon this weekend. Two things I am trying to figure out still even thought the race is only 48 hours away.

    This a downhill race that loses a lot of elevation. I am thinking of using the downhill to my advantage and running the first 1/2 and an easy pace, but also one that at least 30 sec/mile faster than my goal pace. Then my hope is that I can run somewhat close to my goal pace for the second half and limp home to a qualifying time. My friend has had bad experiences trying to do that and he says that I will fry my legs and not be able to run the second half. But we have done some good downhill training and I feel like I am as prepared as I could be. What are people's experience with steeper races?

    Also due to the drop in elevation. It is forecast to be in the low 30's at race start, but could be almost 70 at the finish. Having a hard time deciding what to wear when it could warm up 40 degrees during the race. Have the trow away gloves and hat already, but thinking about wearing a long sleeve.

    My wife, who is running this with me and will most likely beat me, has had knee pain for a while now. She got an MRI this week and they said she has partial tears of the MCL and PCL and minor stress fractures. So not it will be even more demoralizing when she beats me.
    Ogden is mostly downhill. My best year, I ran at pace for the first 17-18 miles, then went for it. I had been reading Hal Higdon at the time, and based this on him saying that if you go fast early, you risk burning out with a lot of miles left and destroying your target time. If you hold pace early, you can decide whether or not to increase speed based on how you're feeling.

    As for cold - one of the smartest things I did was to buy a pair of long cheap tube socks for $1, cut the toes off so I could pull my arms through and still wear my gloves, and use them for sleeves. Had no regrets when it was time to pull them off and toss them. This worked fine for me in low 40 degree temps. I know others who pick up cheap sweatshirts at a second hand store to start the race in, knowing they would discard it midway.

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    Ogden is mostly downhill. My best year, I ran at pace for the first 17-18 miles, then went for it. I had been reading Hal Higdon at the time, and based this on him saying that if you go fast early, you risk burning out with a lot of miles left and destroying your target time. If you hold pace early, you can decide whether or not to increase speed based on how you're feeling.

    As for cold - one of the smartest things I did was to buy a pair of long cheap tube socks for $1, cut the toes off so I could pull my arms through and still wear my gloves, and use them for sleeves. Had no regrets when it was time to pull them off and toss them. This worked fine for me in low 40 degree temps. I know others who pick up cheap sweatshirts at a second hand store to start the race in, knowing they would discard it midway.

    Good luck!
    I was about to make the same suggestion of tube socks. My wife has done that for races, though I enjoy the cold. Low 30s would be pushing it, but once it hits high 30s or low 40s, I can do that in shorts all day long.
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