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    I ran the Bank of America Chicago Marathon (gotta support the lead sponsor) last weekend and it's such a well-run event. I've done a Disney race in the past, but that's a different beast and I really enjoyed the standalone event. The course was great and I enjoyed seeing so much of the city. (Admittedly, I didn't know that Wrigley is on the edge of Chicago's version of the Castro District -- I wonder what Harry Caray thought of that?) The crowd support was fantastic and I just love being in a race with thousands of others. The expo was excellent.

    I didn't run the time I wanted to hit and I think one of the main reasons is my poor sleep habit and I need to improve upon that. The Strava app read the course at about 27.4 miles which is ridiculous and it's a long mental battle when the Garmin is buzzing "Mile 6" but the course marker for Mile 6 doesn't come for another half a mile.

    One other interesting item was that the Abbott Labs booth at the expo had footprints on the carpet. The booth host explained that they did some research on elite marathoners and the average stride length for elite males is 5' 10" and for females, it's 5' 3". That's some impressive area that's being covered and I guess I need to listen to old conference talks and lengthen my stride.
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    Did the Mt Nebo Marathon this past weekend.

    This is only my third marathon and finally found a good training program. https://runkeeper.com/fitness-class/...5/06/17&page=3

    Just wish I would have worked on speed more. Also my long run of 20 miles was not enough, should have done a 23 mile day.

    This race is small and kind of sucky. Lots of hills in the first 10 miles that really put me behind the clock and killed my quads. I was expecting the downhill that came with the race and had trained for that but the uphill killed me.

    There was not gels at mile 7 or mile 9 like advertised, at least they were there at mile 19.

    I ran out of gas at mile 23, just hit the wall. I was also monitoring my pace and time and knew that there was no way to make up time to get near my goal so I was ok sucking at that point. This was also when my wife caught up to me and passed me. I didn't have the mental toughness to stay with her (she ended up beating me by almost 5 minutes).

    Overall i feel like I did ok, got a pr by almost 15 minutes, but am still 10 minutes off of Boston qualifying, and more like 15 minutes off of what I need to actually get into the race.

    Already looking for the next race. May even do one in about 8 weeks to just piggy back on my fitness level and just work on speed.

    My wife was 3rd overall female. I managed 3rd in my age group. Like I said, small race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPiney View Post
    Did the Mt Nebo Marathon this past weekend....
    Even with the downhill, a 7:43 min/mi average is very impressive. I think the last time I ran a single mile that fast was around 1988, but that was without any downhill so perhaps no diff.

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    Nice work, BP. That is really fast. BQ times are crazy hard for our age group. I'm telling you - Mt. Charleston in April. That's your golden ticket. I have no shot at a BQT, but my training partner should come really close.

    We are planning to use a combination of your Runkeeper program and the Hal Higdon Intermediate I program. They are fairly similar for their long run schedule. Its going to be tough for me to get those back to back runs on Fri/Sat. I really like how much the Runkeeper program mixes in speed and tempo work. Higdon is straight mileage, which gets boring after so long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegoose View Post
    Nice work, BP. That is really fast. BQ times are crazy hard for our age group. I'm telling you - Mt. Charleston in April. That's your golden ticket. I have no shot at a BQT, but my training partner should come really close.

    We are planning to use a combination of your Runkeeper program and the Hal Higdon Intermediate I program. They are fairly similar for their long run schedule. Its going to be tough for me to get those back to back runs on Fri/Sat. I really like how much the Runkeeper program mixes in speed and tempo work. Higdon is straight mileage, which gets boring after so long.
    I am really looking at doing the Revel one in November in LA. Looking at this: http://findmymarathon.com/marathon-time-conversion.php It says I could run about 20 minutes faster. Very tempting. Mt Charleston would get me about 10-12 minutes.

    It is still in the mix.

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    Definitely impressive, Piney. Nike has a site with plans for a variety of distances from 5k to 26.2 and I like the detail it provides for each week. I haven't lived by the plan yet, but I want to go back and implement more in my training. https://www.nike.com/us/en_us/c/running/nike-run-club/training-plans/marathon

    After bonking in Chicago last year, I decided to do more group training with a local group and it has helped push me in my speed work. I'm getting more miles in, though I haven't been able to log the long runs yet with the heat and humidity we've had. Adding the true speed work is paying off mentally and I'm enjoying the challenge, even if I'm not yet counting on a 3:45 marathon. In March I ran a small half and did PR, so I saw some benefits. Based on that time, I should be able to shave 20 minutes at least off my full time. I know I needed one more 20+ leading up to Chicago, but I think another big difference over my first full was that I was able to run a lot more 7- and 8-milers in my training than I did for Chicago and I think those extra couple of miles on the mid-week runs made the long run more impactful.

    Now I need to find some races to put on the schedule for the fall so that I can see the benefits when this heat and humidity break.
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    Well done, BP. You will get there.

    The Missus and I plan on jogging the LV, as injuries prevent me from racing any more, but I am impressed by you and others here. Go out and get it, because at some point your joints may stop you from progressing.
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    I'm running 17 miles in the morning and ill be thinking of y'all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bestellen View Post
    I'm running 17 miles in the morning and ill be thinking of y'all!
    That is so sweet of you to think of us. Have fun!

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    Darn. Mount Charleston marathon already sold out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegoose View Post
    Darn. Mount Charleston marathon already sold out.
    Dang. That was the only one I really wanted to do. I guess I can skip the training now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    Dang. That was the only one I really wanted to do. I guess I can skip the training now.
    Don't you worry, Pelado. I'll find a good replacement for us. There's a really fast marathon in Boise that I would love to do, but it's the wrong time of year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegoose View Post
    Don't you worry, Pelado. I'll find a good replacement for us. There's a really fast marathon in Boise that I would love to do, but it's the wrong time of year.
    No, no. I had my heart set on uh...Mount...uh...Charleston. Can't just replace that, even with an obviously superior event in the Gem State.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    No, no. I had my heart set on uh...Mount...uh...Charleston. Can't just replace that, even with an obviously superior event in the Gem State.

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    Is that marathon running UP Mount Charleston or down Mt Charleston? Big difference.

    Back when I was in running shape, about ten years ago or more, my ultra running buddy had a habit of running double whatever I did. So I jogged a marathon with my now ex wife, and so did my buddy, but before that, he had run the Vegas marathon in reverse to meet us at the starting line, so that he didn't have to pay the entrance fee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Is that marathon running UP Mount Charleston or down Mt Charleston? Big difference.
    How should I know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Is that marathon running UP Mount Charleston or down Mt Charleston? Big difference.
    Down. Something like 5,000 feet net elevation loss over 26.2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegoose View Post
    Down. Something like 5,000 feet net elevation loss over 26.2.
    That would hurt after. So not an official time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    That would hurt after. So not an official time.
    I wouldn't be able to go down stairs for a week, I'm sure. But its a Boston Qualifier. One of the fastest in the country. Something like 30% of all entries qualify. Canyon City in LA is the only one faster, I believe, with 40% of all runners getting a BQT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegoose View Post
    Down. Something like 5,000 feet net elevation loss over 26.2.
    The Vegas Ragnar follows (or followed) that course, beginning at the ski resort. The runners that had those lengths were super fast, but their quads and knees were hurting pretty good when they got down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    The Vegas Ragnar follows (or followed) that course, beginning at the ski resort. The runners that had those lengths were super fast, but their quads and knees were hurting pretty good when they got down.
    Yeah my knees ache just thinking about that sort of run.
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    I've got my 2018 marathon narrowed down to Eugene in April or Ogden in May. Eugene is pretty flat and at 500 feet elevation, which is almost identical to my normal training runs. Ogden is about a 1,200 foot net elevation loss, with a few rollers mixed in.

    Both are supposed to be very scenic, with the Ogden Canyon being its big draw, and the Willamette river trail being the highlight in Eugene. Finishing on Hayward Field is a huge plus.

    The marathon converter has Eugene about 4 minutes faster, based on the higher overall elevation in Ogden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegoose View Post
    I've got my 2018 marathon narrowed down to Eugene in April or Ogden in May. Eugene is pretty flat and at 500 feet elevation, which is almost identical to my normal training runs. Ogden is about a 1,200 foot net elevation loss, with a few rollers mixed in.

    Both are supposed to be very scenic, with the Ogden Canyon being its big draw, and the Willamette river trail being the highlight in Eugene. Finishing on Hayward Field is a huge plus.

    The marathon converter has Eugene about 4 minutes faster, based on the higher overall elevation in Ogden.
    Let me know. I call dibs at staying at HFN's house if it is Eugene.

    My training has fallen off, I need some motivation.

    My wife was super pissed at me that I didn't register us for Mt Charleston. Like I am the only one in the house with a credit card. So find a good one for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPiney View Post
    Let me know. I call dibs at staying at HFN's house if it is Eugene.

    My training has fallen off, I need some motivation.

    My wife was super pissed at me that I didn't register us for Mt Charleston. Like I am the only one in the house with a credit card. So find a good one for me.
    18 weeks to Eugene would fall on New Years weekend. Let's git er done!!!

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    Revel Mt. Hood on Saturday July 28th.

    Ponied up the money last week, so I'm committed. Was hoping to do one earlier in the season, but my running buddy wrecked on his mountain bike and broke his wrist, having had surgery a couple of months ago, delaying his plans. Training in May and June around here is going to be nasty. Going to be a lot of 5:00am wake up calls on Saturdays.

    Much like Mt Charleston in Vegas and all of the other Revel runs, this one is all downhill with a net elevation loss of almost 5,000 feet. I like that it doesn't start as high as all of the others, as I train basically at sea level year round.

    Its a first year race, so plenty of spots still available, but I expect it to fill up with how popular all of their other ones are.




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    Nice! Have a great time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegoose View Post
    Revel Mt. Hood on Saturday July 28th.

    Ponied up the money last week, so I'm committed. Was hoping to do one earlier in the season, but my running buddy wrecked on his mountain bike and broke his wrist, having had surgery a couple of months ago, delaying his plans. Training in May and June around here is going to be nasty. Going to be a lot of 5:00am wake up calls on Saturdays.

    Much like Mt Charleston in Vegas and all of the other Revel runs, this one is all downhill with a net elevation loss of almost 5,000 feet. I like that it doesn't start as high as all of the others, as I train basically at sea level year round.

    Its a first year race, so plenty of spots still available, but I expect it to fill up with how popular all of their other ones are.
    How many marathons have you run so far?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    How many marathons have you run so far?
    Four so far. The last one was in 2011 in Salt Lake. Ran the first half with HotLunch.

    Apparently it takes 7 years to forget the pain from doing the last one.

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    Good luck goose. Looks like you can skip the training and just buy some of those shoes with wheels in the soles with that kind of elevation drop.


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    BG, how are you going to care for your knees around that race? Seems like that would be a killer on the body.

    The Kiawah Island (S.C.) Marathon has a deal they run each year where right at Noon on the day of the race, registration for the following year's event opens up for x hours at a price of $x for either the full or half, with x being the anniversary year of the following race. So I jumped in and signed up for $41 and look forward to a flat, somewhat scenic race morning in early December 2018. Unfortunately, most of the race is through neighborhoods, but it's still supposed to be quite nice overall, and I'm running it with friends. Now to keep up the training and find some speed somewhere in this aging body.
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