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    But if you are looking for a sh!thole... try Ohio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Shouldn't this be in the what's right with California thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    I lived in San Ramon and it sucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Mexican Disaster View Post
    I lived in San Ramon and it sucked.
    Wow... you must make it rain to live in a place like that.
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    California has worst 'quality of life' in US, study says
    Awards season is in full swing in California, and the Golden State just took home a booby prize of its own.

    California ranks dead last among U.S. states in quality of life, according to a study by U.S. News, ranking behind New Jersey (49th) and Indiana (48th).

    The ignominious honor reflects California's low marks in the sub-categories of environmental quality and social engagement. The latter category measures voting participation and community bonds.

    Californians scored poorly in part because they're simply insufferable, U.S. News suggested.

    "In addition to a healthy environment, a person's quality of life is largely a result of their interactions with those around them," the magazine wrote in a blurb accompanying the results.

    One way to measure quality life is whether residents can even afford to have a roof over their heads, and by that standard, California is failing.

    A 2017 Harvard University report said that one-third of renters in the Los Angeles area are "severely rent burdened," meaning they spend at least half their income on housing. The median rent for a one-bedroom apartment in Los Angeles County has increased 67%, according to Zillow's Rent Index, the Los Angeles Times reports.

    Homelessness has surged a stunning 75 percent in the last six years, the Los Angeles Times reports, and there are now at least 55,000 homeless people in the county.

    U.S. News ranked each state in seven other areas, which were weighted based on a survey that determined their importance to the public: health care, education, economy, opportunity, infrastructure, crime and corrections, and fiscal stability.
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    If the stock market shifts from gains to losses, Standard & Poor's said, the budget could be negatively impacted in a major way because about half of the state's revenue comes from the wealthiest 1% in California.

    California finished No. 43 in fiscal stability, No. 46 in opportunity, and No. 38 in infrastructure. It posted relatively high marks in health care (11th), economy (4th), and crime and corrections (28th).

    California ranked No. 32 among all U.S. states overall, behind New York (25th), New Jersey (19th), and Florida (15th).

    Which state has the best quality of life?

    Iowa, which scored highly in infrastructure and health care, took the top spot overall.
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/01...tudy-says.html

    California needs to raise the state tax rate and fix this sh*t! Embarrassing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/01...tudy-says.html

    California needs to raise the state tax rate and fix this sh*t! Embarrassing.
    Looks like they faired pretty similar to Texas in most categories. California actually came out 4 spots better overall.

    Utah finished 3rd overall.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/01...tudy-says.html

    California needs to raise the state tax rate and fix this sh*t! Embarrassing.
    Not to rain on Cali's thread...

    Here's the "overall" list: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings

    It includes overall score for areas of: Health Care, Education, Economy, Opportunity, Infrastructure, Crime & Corrections, Fiscal Stability, and Quality of Life.

    While California comes in 50th for quality of life, they come in at #32 in the overall rankings. They made top 10 in one category - economy.

    Just for comparison sake...

    Texas comes in #46 for quality of life and #36 overall. Texas also had one top 10 finish, also in economy.

    Utah comes in #22 for quality of life - and #3 overall! Utah also has five (5!) top 10 finishes, in: Health Care, Education, Economy, Infrastructure and Fiscal Stability. Utah's lowest score (35) was in opportunity. Texas and Cali both had scores lower than 35 in four different areas.

    Hmmm. On second thought, maybe I should've put this in the "What is right with Utah" thread...

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    Californians fed up with housing costs and taxes are fleeing state in big numbers


    • More Californians are moving from the Golden State, particularly lower-income residents, although even middle-class residents are saying goodbye.
    • The trend is a symptom of the state's housing crunch and, for some, high taxes.
    • Census Bureau data show California lost just over 138,000 people to domestic migration in the 12 months ended in July 2017.
    • Lower-cost states such as Arizona, Texas and Nevada are popular destinations for relocating Californians.

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    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/19/cali...ing-state.html

    I don't understand... I thought California was the liberal utopia. Who would want to leave that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/19/cali...ing-state.html

    I don't understand... I thought California was the liberal utopia. Who would want to leave that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/19/cali...ing-state.html

    I don't understand... I thought California was the liberal utopia. Who would want to leave that?
    I've read "everyone's leaving California" reports off and on over the past 50+ years. It reminds of Yogi Berra's disdainful observation of a local restaurant, "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded."

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    I've read "everyone's leaving California" reports off and on over the past 50+ years. It reminds of Yogi Berra's disdainful observation of a local restaurant, "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded."
    Thanks for putting us at ease... I was starting to think that Drumpf was right about building the wall but wrong about the location.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    I've read "everyone's leaving California" reports off and on over the past 50+ years. It reminds of Yogi Berra's disdainful observation of a local restaurant, "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded."
    Yeah no kidding. I wish the number leaving was more like 10 million instead of only 130k. It would be nice to be able to drive 25 miles in 25 minutes instead of 1.5 hours.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flystripper View Post
    Yeah no kidding. I wish the number leaving was more like 10 million instead of only 130k. It would be nice to be able to drive 25 miles in 25 minutes instead of 1.5 hours.
    California should raise the taxes on gas and build more roads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    California should raise the taxes on gas and build more roads.
    You mean build more high speed rail lines, right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    You mean build more high speed rail lines, right?
    Yeah, a bunch of those too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    I've read "everyone's leaving California" reports off and on over the past 50+ years. It reminds of Yogi Berra's disdainful observation of a local restaurant, "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded."
    How many people do you know who have retired and stuck around?

    I used to wonder why so many left after they retired, but I understand completely now that I've reached that point myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott R Nelson View Post
    How many people do you know who have retired and stuck around?

    I used to wonder why so many left after they retired, but I understand completely now that I've reached that point myself.
    What? Move away from a top 10 best weather in the world? And the best weather in the United States? You would give all that up? To maybe live in Utah?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott R Nelson View Post
    How many people do you know who have retired and stuck around?

    I used to wonder why so many left after they retired, but I understand completely now that I've reached that point myself.
    Nearly all of my friends from my youth are staying put, but I understand why non-natives would forsake the Golden State once they become pensioners.

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    What is wrong with all these cities in California?...

    3 More California Cities Vote to Opt Out of State's Sanctuary Law
    Newport Beach council votes 7-0 against law.

    The Newport Beach city council voted unanimously earlier this week to challenge California's sanctuary law, joining a dozen other cities that are not interested in complying with the sanctuary policies.


    It's the third city in the past two days to take such action, joining about a dozen others in recent weeks.



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    http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/04/1...-sanctuary-law

    Don't they know that California is the designated sanctuary state for undocumented residents and white folks haven't been the largest ethnic group there for some time? The folks running these cities need to get with it or get out and let the new residents there take over.
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    Walters: California cities, school districts pushed to the brink of insolvency

    Cities that are now paying 50 cents into CalPERS for every dollar of police officers’ salaries are projecting that it could go to 75 or 80 cents within a few years.

    California’s public employee pension systems have immense gaps – called “unfunded liabilities” – between what they have in assets and what they will need to meet their obligations to retirees.

    The California Public Employees Retirement System (CalPERS), the nation’s largest pension trust fund, and other state and local systems are desperately trying to close those shortfalls, or at least reduce them, mostly by ramping up mandatory “contributions” from public agencies.

    Everyone is getting hit by those rapidly escalating demands and it’s no secret that they are pushing some school districts and cities to the brink of insolvency, forcing them to slash other spending, even vital police and fire services, and/or seek higher taxes from their voters to keep their heads above water.

    Moreover, the squeeze is destined to get even tighter. For instance, cities that are now paying 50 cents into CalPERS for every dollar of police officers’ salaries are projecting that it could go to 75 or 80 cents within a few years.

    School districts are feeling a double whammy – a more than doubling of their mandatory payments to the California State Teachers Retirement System (CalSTRS) for their professional staffs, plus increasing demands from CalPERS for their support staffs.

    The state government itself is not immune. Last week, CalPERS told Gov. Jerry Brown and legislators that they must include $6.3 billion in the 2018-19 state budget to cover state employee pensions, making it one of the budget’s largest single items.
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    https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/...of-insolvency/


    The solution is pretty simple.... There are lots of rich people in California. Just take all their money to fund the gap. And build the wall so the rich can't leave without paying their share.

    BTW, how's that bullet train coming?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    Nearly all of my friends from my youth are staying put, but I understand why non-natives would forsake the Golden State once they become pensioners.
    Are they staying to be close to children and grandchildren? Or are you simply in an income class where people can otherwise afford to stay?
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    Just love the exclusionary practices of California elite:

    “Tomorrow night, Scripps College will be hosting a*pool party**at the*Sallie Tiernan Field House pool*that only non-white people will be allowed to attend.
    Organized by Scripps’s Latinx group “Cafe con Leche”, the event was*announced*via*Facebook*(click*here*for archived description) under the claim of being the “first ever POC [person of color] pool party in [Clare]mont”.
    Of course, in true California fashion:

    https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10781
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Are they staying to be close to children and grandchildren? Or are you simply in an income class where people can otherwise afford to stay?
    Other than housing, I don't think the cost of living in CA is significantly higher than other metropolitan areas in the U.S. Those of my generation got on the housing inflation bandwagon during the Carter/Reagan era (my first house, in '79, had a mortgage of $65K, albeit with 11% interest), so we're in better shape than newcomers. Plus it's worth paying a premium for climate, scenic diversity, national parks, mountains, spectacular coastlines, cultural opportunities, etc.--the kind of things people in Texas enjoy reading about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    Other than housing, I don't think the cost of living in CA is significantly higher than other metropolitan areas in the U.S. Those of my generation got on the housing inflation bandwagon during the Carter/Reagan era (my first house, in '79, had a mortgage of $65K, albeit with 11% interest), so we're in better shape than newcomers. Plus it's worth paying a premium for climate, scenic diversity, national parks, mountains, spectacular coastlines, cultural opportunities, etc.--the kind of things people in Texas enjoy reading about.
    With a 13% top marginal rate for your state income tax, it is quite a bit higher and the cost of living converter disagrees with you. But then again, those of you in the high income brackets won't notice much of a difference.

    Using Texas as a comparison, no California metro area has costs as low as Houston, Dallas, San Antonio or El Paso. Only NYC exceeds most Californian metropolitan areas.

    Here is a conversion for example.

    https://www.nerdwallet.com/cost-of-l...-san-francisco
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    With a 13% top marginal rate for your state income tax, it is quite a bit higher and the cost of living converter disagrees with you. But then again, those of you in the high income brackets won't notice much of a difference.

    Using Texas as a comparison, no California metro area has costs as low as Houston, Dallas, San Antonio or El Paso. Only NYC exceeds most Californian metropolitan areas.

    Here is a conversion for example.

    https://www.nerdwallet.com/cost-of-l...-san-francisco

    Hmm... Bakersfield isn't bad. How are the spectacular coastlines there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Hmm... Bakersfield isn't bad. How are the spectacular coastlines there?
    I have a client who just moved from Bakersfield. I am asked him about the benefits of living in Bakersfield. His reply was, "Welcome to Hell, where you can enter but never leave....."
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    My brother went to the UoP dental school which is located in San Francisco. I helped him and his wife move there (San Francisco itself) about a week before I left on my mission. The summer after I got back he was finishing up with school and was commuting in from Sausalito where he was living in an apartment. When I visited him he pointed out that there were attempts to build low income housing up the street which promptly drove all the big-hearted people in Marin County (74% for Obama in 2012 and 77% for Hillary in 2016) batshit crazy and they promptly community organized against the effort.

    The massive housing prices are 1 part global/domestic money flooding into the tech industry, 1 part scenic coastlines and cultural activities like the Castro District Film Festival, and 2 parts NIMBYism blocking most/all efforts to increase housing supply.
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    With a 13% top marginal rate for your state income tax, it is quite a bit higher and the cost of living converter disagrees with you. But then again, those of you in the high income brackets won't notice much of a difference.

    Using Texas as a comparison, no California metro area has costs as low as Houston, Dallas, San Antonio or El Paso. Only NYC exceeds most Californian metropolitan areas.

    Here is a conversion for example.

    https://www.nerdwallet.com/cost-of-l...-san-francisco
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    Quote Originally Posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
    My brother went to the UoP dental school which is located in San Francisco. I helped him and his wife move there (San Francisco itself) about a week before I left on my mission. The summer after I got back he was finishing up with school and was commuting in from Sausalito where he was living in an apartment. When I visited him he pointed out that there were attempts to build low income housing up the street which promptly drove all the big-hearted people in Marin County (74% for Obama in 2012 and 77% for Hillary in 2016) batshit crazy and they promptly community organized against the effort.

    The massive housing prices are 1 part global/domestic money flooding into the tech industry, 1 part scenic coastlines and cultural activities like the Castro District Film Festival, and 2 parts NIMBYism blocking most/all efforts to increase housing supply.
    ah yes, the castro district film festival is open season for realtors
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