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  • Also, I am going to interject my oft-repeated claim that an appeal to hypocrisy is one of the laziest and least persuasive ways to make an argument.
    "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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    • What is wrong with California?

      Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
      For starters, who says all pro-choice people are against women having consensual sex?

      Uncle Ted is a lousy libertarian, btw.
      I have no idea who does or doesn't approve of prostitution. Just pointing out that your counter examples were not very close and his analogy, hobgoblins of small minds and all, was a closer fit.

      Agreed that is odd a libertarian would take that POV.
      Last edited by creekster; 01-27-2017, 04:06 PM.
      PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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      • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
        Haha. Sorry, but these are terribly oversimplistic arguments.

        Let's see if I can play this game:

        "You can be pro-hunting and pro-life at the same time!"
        Sure you can... I know bow hunters that only use thumper tipped arrows. They sneak up on an elk and thump it (and run away).

        I don't consider myself pro-life but do catch and release fishing, however.

        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
        "You be pro gun-rights if you don't think I should be able to take an AK-47 to BYU basketball games!"
        I think BYU should allow concealed guns on campus but they don't agree with me.

        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
        "You say you are for free markets, but you won't let me take stuff for free from your market!"
        You can try to take stuff from my free market as long as I am free to shoot you.
        "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
        "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
        "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
        GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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        • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
          For starters, who says all pro-choice people are against women having consensual sex?
          All pro-choice people should also be for people having consensual sex. If they are only for abortion then they are pro-abortionists.

          Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
          Uncle Ted is a lousy libertarian, btw.
          Hey, hey, hey... I consider myself more of a Technolibertarian or Digital Libertarian, however.
          "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
          "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
          "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
          GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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          • Making $700,000/yr and still can't make ends meet...

            Scraping by on six figures? Tech workers feel poor in Silicon Valley's wealth bubble

            I didn’t become a software engineer to be trying to make ends meet,” said a Twitter employee in his early 40s who earns a base salary of $160,000. It is, he added, a “pretty bad” income for raising a family in the Bay Area.


            The biggest cost is his $3,000 rent – which he said was “ultra cheap” for the area – for a two-bedroom house in San Francisco, where he lives with his wife and two kids. He’d like a slightly bigger property, but finds himself competing with groups of twentysomethings happy to share accommodation while paying up to $2,000 for a single room.


            “Families are priced out of the market,” he said, adding that family-friendly cafes and restaurants have slowly been replaced by “hip coffee shops”.

            Silicon Valley’s latest tech boom, combined with a housing shortage, has caused rents to soar over the last five years. The city’s rents, by one measure, are now the highest in the world.


            The prohibitive costs have displaced teachers, city workers, firefighters and other members of the middle class, not to mention low-income residents.


            Now techies, many of whom are among the highest 1% of earners, are complaining that they, too, are being priced out.
            [...]
            Another tech worker feeling excluded from the real estate market was 41-year-old Michael, who works at a networking firm in Silicon Valley and last year earned $700,000. Sick of his 22-mile commute to work, which can sometimes take up to two and half hours, he explored buying a property nearer work.


            “We went to an open house in Los Gatos that would shorten my commute by eight miles. It was 1,700 sq ft and listed at $1.4m. It sold in 24 hours for $1.7m,” he said.




            Although he said his salary means he can afford to live a decent life, he finds the cost of living, combined with the terrible commute, unpalatable. He’s had enough, and has accepted a 50% pay cut to relocate to San Diego.


            “We will be unequivocally better off than we are now.” He said he won’t miss some of the more mundane day-to-day costs, like spending $8 on a bagel and coffee or $12 on freshly pressed juice.


            Michael isn’t the only tech worker considering leaving Silicon Valley in search of a better life. A Canadian IT specialist in his late 40s, earning more than $200,000, has a similar plan. “When I came to the Bay Area the amount of money they were going to pay me seemed absurd,” he said. However, the cost of rent and childcare, which cost “more than I paid for my university education in Canada”, has been hard to swallow.


            Sam, 40, lives with his wife and three kids in San Jose, earning around $120,000 a year at a multinational software company. “I get paid a very good wage, but I have three kids, childcare is ridiculously expensive so my wife mostly takes care of them,” he said.


            He feels pressure being the sole breadwinner. “I’ve got no safety net,” he said. “I have credit cards, but this is not sustainable. If something bad happened I’d be out of the house in a month.”
            [...]
            https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...d-feeling-poor

            These folks are hurting and need help.
            "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
            "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
            "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
            GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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            • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
              Making $700,000/yr and still can't make ends meet...


              https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...d-feeling-poor

              These folks are hurting and need help.
              in fairness, the costs are ridiculous. 1.7MM for a 1700 sq ft house. lol.

              2.5 hour commute to go 22 miles. yikes
              I'm like LeBron James.
              -mpfunk

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              • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                Making $700,000/yr and still can't make ends meet...


                https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...d-feeling-poor

                These folks are hurting and need help.
                That whole story sounds so familiar. Obviously no one needs to feel sorry for me but we now know with every fiber of our beings that NYC is not for families (unless the breadwinner is a successful actor, lawyer, or banker).

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                • Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post
                  2.5 hour commute to go 22 miles. yikes
                  Yeah, I work with folks that do this kind of commute... at least one way. Fortunately they work at home one day of the week.
                  "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                  "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                  "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                  GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                  • Originally posted by Omaha 680 View Post
                    That whole story sounds so familiar. Obviously no one needs to feel sorry for me but we now know with every fiber of our beings that NYC is not for families (unless the breadwinner is a successful actor, lawyer, or banker).
                    Yep, Texas is for families, my friend.
                    "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                    "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                    "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                    GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                    • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                      Yep, Texas is for families, my friend.
                      What are commutes like in Dallas and Houston?
                      "What are you prepared to do?" - Jimmy Malone

                      "What choice?" - Abe Petrovsky

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                      • You could live pretty comfortably on those incomes here in Utah. My hope is not to many Californians decide on lifestyle and think Utah is a better place. People come here for the change and then bitch about it.

                        California is an awesome place for Californians and Utah an awesome place for Utahns (generalization). Let's not cross pollinate the two cultures.

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                        • Originally posted by Joe Public View Post
                          What are commutes like in Dallas and Houston?
                          My commute is about 20 feet from my bedroom to my office... about 10 seconds.
                          "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                          "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                          "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                          GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                          • Originally posted by Joe Public View Post
                            What are commutes like in Dallas and Houston?
                            I should mention that Dallas has biggest light rail system... Everything is bigger in Texas:

                            Would you have guessed? Dallas has the country’s biggest light rail system

                            Whether it’s to gain a little perspective or just for fun, it’s interesting to check out transit in other cities. The Dallas Area Rapid Transit light rail system is the country’s longest, stretching 90 miles across North Texas.
                            [...]
                            https://ggwash.org/view/37371/would-...ht-rail-system

                            And after Drumpf helps us out with the Cotton Belt line we will add another 26 miles.

                            http://dart.org/about/expansion/cottonbelt.asp
                            "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                            "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                            "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                            GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                            • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                              Yep, Texas is for families, my friend.
                              Michael isn’t the only tech worker considering leaving Silicon Valley in search of a better life. A Canadian IT specialist in his late 40s, earning more than $200,000, has a similar plan. “When I came to the Bay Area the amount of money they were going to pay me seemed absurd,” he said. However, the cost of rent and childcare, which cost “more than I paid for my university education in Canada”, has been hard to swallow.
                              Not so fast there Uncle Ted, the cost of housing and childcare in Dallas easily cost more than I paid for my university education at BYU. But I didn't complain much even when the monthly cost of childcare exceeded my monthly mortgage payment as it speaks more to the reasonable cost of housing then to the cost of childcare.

                              Originally posted by Joe Public View Post
                              What are commutes like in Dallas and Houston?
                              The 25 mile commute from my northern Dallas suburb to downtown Dallas is 1-1.5 hours during rush hour.
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                              • Originally posted by Paperback Writer View Post
                                Not so fast there Uncle Ted, the cost of housing and childcare in Dallas easily cost more than I paid for my university education at BYU. But I didn't complain much even when the monthly cost of childcare exceeded my monthly mortgage payment as it speaks more to the reasonable cost of housing then to the cost of childcare.
                                Yeah, I wonder how much that dude's education was in the socialist country of Canada.

                                Drumpf needs to ship that Canuck back to his country... he is taking jobs from Americans not to mention most likely committing crimes all over the place in that sanctuary state.
                                "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                                "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                                "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                                GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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