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    Also, I am going to interject my oft-repeated claim that an appeal to hypocrisy is one of the laziest and least persuasive ways to make an argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    For starters, who says all pro-choice people are against women having consensual sex?

    Uncle Ted is a lousy libertarian, btw.
    I have no idea who does or doesn't approve of prostitution. Just pointing out that your counter examples were not very close and his analogy, hobgoblins of small minds and all, was a closer fit.

    Agreed that is odd a libertarian would take that POV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Haha. Sorry, but these are terribly oversimplistic arguments.

    Let's see if I can play this game:

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    Sure you can... I know bow hunters that only use thumper tipped arrows. They sneak up on an elk and thump it (and run away).

    I don't consider myself pro-life but do catch and release fishing, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    For starters, who says all pro-choice people are against women having consensual sex?
    All pro-choice people should also be for people having consensual sex. If they are only for abortion then they are pro-abortionists.

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    Uncle Ted is a lousy libertarian, btw.
    Hey, hey, hey... I consider myself more of a Technolibertarian or Digital Libertarian, however.
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    Making $700,000/yr and still can't make ends meet...

    Scraping by on six figures? Tech workers feel poor in Silicon Valley's wealth bubble

    I didn’t become a software engineer to be trying to make ends meet,” said a Twitter employee in his early 40s who earns a base salary of $160,000. It is, he added, a “pretty bad” income for raising a family in the Bay Area.


    The biggest cost is his $3,000 rent – which he said was “ultra cheap” for the area – for a two-bedroom house in San Francisco, where he lives with his wife and two kids. He’d like a slightly bigger property, but finds himself competing with groups of twentysomethings happy to share accommodation while paying up to $2,000 for a single room.


    “Families are priced out of the market,” he said, adding that family-friendly cafes and restaurants have slowly been replaced by “hip coffee shops”.

    Silicon Valley’s latest tech boom, combined with a housing shortage, has caused rents to soar over the last five years. The city’s rents, by one measure, are now the highest in the world.


    The prohibitive costs have displaced teachers, city workers, firefighters and other members of the middle class, not to mention low-income residents.


    Now techies, many of whom are among the highest 1% of earners, are complaining that they, too, are being priced out.
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    Another tech worker feeling excluded from the real estate market was 41-year-old Michael, who works at a networking firm in Silicon Valley and last year earned $700,000. Sick of his 22-mile commute to work, which can sometimes take up to two and half hours, he explored buying a property nearer work.


    “We went to an open house in Los Gatos that would shorten my commute by eight miles. It was 1,700 sq ft and listed at $1.4m. It sold in 24 hours for $1.7m,” he said.




    Although he said his salary means he can afford to live a decent life, he finds the cost of living, combined with the terrible commute, unpalatable. He’s had enough, and has accepted a 50% pay cut to relocate to San Diego.


    “We will be unequivocally better off than we are now.” He said he won’t miss some of the more mundane day-to-day costs, like spending $8 on a bagel and coffee or $12 on freshly pressed juice.


    Michael isn’t the only tech worker considering leaving Silicon Valley in search of a better life. A Canadian IT specialist in his late 40s, earning more than $200,000, has a similar plan. “When I came to the Bay Area the amount of money they were going to pay me seemed absurd,” he said. However, the cost of rent and childcare, which cost “more than I paid for my university education in Canada”, has been hard to swallow.


    Sam, 40, lives with his wife and three kids in San Jose, earning around $120,000 a year at a multinational software company. “I get paid a very good wage, but I have three kids, childcare is ridiculously expensive so my wife mostly takes care of them,” he said.


    He feels pressure being the sole breadwinner. “I’ve got no safety net,” he said. “I have credit cards, but this is not sustainable. If something bad happened I’d be out of the house in a month.”
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    https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...d-feeling-poor

    These folks are hurting and need help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Making $700,000/yr and still can't make ends meet...


    https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...d-feeling-poor

    These folks are hurting and need help.
    in fairness, the costs are ridiculous. 1.7MM for a 1700 sq ft house. lol.

    2.5 hour commute to go 22 miles. yikes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Making $700,000/yr and still can't make ends meet...


    https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...d-feeling-poor

    These folks are hurting and need help.
    That whole story sounds so familiar. Obviously no one needs to feel sorry for me but we now know with every fiber of our beings that NYC is not for families (unless the breadwinner is a successful actor, lawyer, or banker).

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    2.5 hour commute to go 22 miles. yikes
    Yeah, I work with folks that do this kind of commute... at least one way. Fortunately they work at home one day of the week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    That whole story sounds so familiar. Obviously no one needs to feel sorry for me but we now know with every fiber of our beings that NYC is not for families (unless the breadwinner is a successful actor, lawyer, or banker).
    Yep, Texas is for families, my friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Yep, Texas is for families, my friend.
    What are commutes like in Dallas and Houston?
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    You could live pretty comfortably on those incomes here in Utah. My hope is not to many Californians decide on lifestyle and think Utah is a better place. People come here for the change and then bitch about it.

    California is an awesome place for Californians and Utah an awesome place for Utahns (generalization). Let's not cross pollinate the two cultures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Public View Post
    What are commutes like in Dallas and Houston?
    My commute is about 20 feet from my bedroom to my office... about 10 seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Public View Post
    What are commutes like in Dallas and Houston?
    I should mention that Dallas has biggest light rail system... Everything is bigger in Texas:

    Would you have guessed? Dallas has the country’s biggest light rail system

    Whether it’s to gain a little perspective or just for fun, it’s interesting to check out transit in other cities. The Dallas Area Rapid Transit light rail system is the country’s longest, stretching 90 miles across North Texas.
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    https://ggwash.org/view/37371/would-...ht-rail-system

    And after Drumpf helps us out with the Cotton Belt line we will add another 26 miles.

    http://dart.org/about/expansion/cottonbelt.asp
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Yep, Texas is for families, my friend.
    Michael isn’t the only tech worker considering leaving Silicon Valley in search of a better life. A Canadian IT specialist in his late 40s, earning more than $200,000, has a similar plan. “When I came to the Bay Area the amount of money they were going to pay me seemed absurd,” he said. However, the cost of rent and childcare, which cost “more than I paid for my university education in Canada”, has been hard to swallow.
    Not so fast there Uncle Ted, the cost of housing and childcare in Dallas easily cost more than I paid for my university education at BYU. But I didn't complain much even when the monthly cost of childcare exceeded my monthly mortgage payment as it speaks more to the reasonable cost of housing then to the cost of childcare.

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    What are commutes like in Dallas and Houston?
    The 25 mile commute from my northern Dallas suburb to downtown Dallas is 1-1.5 hours during rush hour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paperback Writer View Post
    Not so fast there Uncle Ted, the cost of housing and childcare in Dallas easily cost more than I paid for my university education at BYU. But I didn't complain much even when the monthly cost of childcare exceeded my monthly mortgage payment as it speaks more to the reasonable cost of housing then to the cost of childcare.
    Yeah, I wonder how much that dude's education was in the socialist country of Canada.

    Drumpf needs to ship that Canuck back to his country... he is taking jobs from Americans not to mention most likely committing crimes all over the place in that sanctuary state.
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    These what's wrong with CA posts are cute.
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    Making six figures and still qualifying for public housing...

    In parts of the California’s Bay Area, $105,350 is now ‘low income’

    The cost of living in the San Francisco’s Bay Area continues to rise, so much that a low end six-figure salary is now considered “low-income.”


    In San Francisco and San Mateo Counties, a family of four making $105,350 or less is now considered low income by the federal government Department of Housing and Urban Development. That means they can qualify for affordable housing.


    “They are eligible now to apply for housing through the local housing authority, be it Section 8, be it public housing, or other HUD-subsidized programs,” HUD Regional Public Affairs Officer and Homeless Liaison Ed Cabrera told KRON-TV.


    To put this in perspective, the average household income for a family of four in the rest of the United States is $55,775. “Low income” families make $24,399 on average.
    [...]
    http://nbc4i.com/2017/04/25/in-parts...ow-low-income/

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    What the hell, California? You are "dragging down the nation"!

    Lawyers sue California because too many children can't read

    A group of prominent lawyers representing teachers and students from poor performing schools sued California on Tuesday, arguing that the state has done nothing about a high number of schoolchildren who do not know how to read.


    The advocacy law firm, Public Counsel, filed the lawsuit in Los Angeles Superior Court to demand the California Department of Education address its "literacy crisis." The state has not followed suggestions from its own report on the problem five years ago, the lawsuit said.


    "When it comes to literacy and the delivery of basic education, California is dragging down the nation," said Public Counsel lawyer Mark Rosenbaum, who sued along with the law firm Morrison & Foerster.


    Assessments found less than half of California students from third grade to fifth grade have met statewide literacy standards since 2015. Both traditional and charter schools are failing, Rosenbaum said.

    Of the 26 lowest-performing districts in the nation, 11 are in California, according to the lawsuit. Texas, the largest state after California, has only one district among the 26.
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    Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/cal...#storylink=cpy
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    California needs to tax the hell out of the rich...

    Why is liberal California the poverty capital of America?

    Guess which state has the highest poverty rate in the country? Not Mississippi, New Mexico, or West Virginia, but California, where nearly one out of five residents is poor. That's according to the Census Bureau's Supplemental Poverty Measure, which factors in the cost of housing, food, utilities and clothing, and which includes noncash government assistance as a form of income.
    [...]
    http://beta.latimes.com/opinion/op-e...114-story.html

    Good hell, Drumpf might start calling Cali a...

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    Please welcome the state of New California....

    INDEPENDENCE DECLARED FROM CALIFORNIA JANUARY 15, 2018


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    california doesn’t exist outside of the yellow counties anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    california doesn’t exist outside of the yellow counties anyway
    Yeah, maybe New Cali could just merge with Nevada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Yeah, maybe New Cali could just merge with Nevada.
    We'll take them. We need the agriculture.
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    Plus Disneyland and San Diego!
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    That means BART would be a multi state transportation system! That will be great for costs, I am sure
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    We'll take them. We need the agriculture.
    And beachfront!
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    california doesn’t exist outside of the yellow counties anyway
    Neither does its water supply.
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    California’s Income Inequality Now Worse Than Mexico’s, Poverty Level Highest In America

    Californians love sermonizing on the plight of America’s poor and disenfranchised—if only penny-pinching republicans would shell out for a bigger welfare state then all our problems would be solved. Why not build more homes for the homeless, or invest in better education for our kids? The state can solve the problem of poverty, they argue.


    And to be fair, they’ve put their money where their mouth is: over the last few decades California has built one of America’s most lavish welfare states. There’s just one problem: it’s not working.
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    But it’s only when looking at the global context do you really get a sense of how bad it is. If California were an independent country, it would be the 17th most unequal country on earth, according to data from the World Bank. It would rest comfortably just behind the Honduras (at 0.511), and ahead of Guatemala (0.487) and Mexico (0.482).
    Well, at least California is behind of Haiti, El Salvador, and African countries in being unequal so I guess it isn't classified as a 'sh*thole' on the Drumpfian scale of things. California (as well as NY) needs to step up the spending on welfare!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    California’s Income Inequality Now Worse Than Mexico’s, Poverty Level Highest In America



    Well, at least California is behind of Haiti, El Salvador, and African countries in being unequal so I guess it isn't classified as a 'sh*thole' on the Drumpfian scale of things. California (as well as NY) needs to step up the spending on welfare!

    That graphic is pretty useless since it isn't on a per capita basis. I am glad you kept it out of my maps thread.

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    California Democrats want businesses to give half their tax-cut savings to state

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