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    Quote Originally Posted by SCcoug View Post
    I did that once in a boring SS class a while back.

    A large busy temple (like Provo) will have sessions every 20 minutes. Looking at the Provo schedule it looks like there are ~212 session per week. Lets say there are 30 temples who can operate with that type of schedule.

    A small temple (like Columbia, SC) will have 16 or so sessions per week. Lets round that up to 20 sessions per week. That leaves 114 temples with 20 sessions per week.

    Adding up the number of sessions brings us to 8640 sessions per week. I'll round it up to 9K.

    Let's assume that each session has 50 people in them. That means in a week there are 450K ordinances performed.

    There are ~1.1M deaths per week. So each week we're falling behind by ~650K people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
    You aren't factoring in church growth (living) into your equation.
    True. The analysis is only a snapshot in time.

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    You guys are thinking too linearly. Clack, care to enlighten us how multiple dimensions solve the temple ordinance problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    You guys are thinking too linearly. Clack, care to enlighten us how multiple dimensions solve the temple ordinance problem?
    I'd think it would be a pretty easy administrative fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCcoug View Post
    I did that once in a boring SS class a while back.

    A large busy temple (like Provo) will have sessions every 20 minutes. Looking at the Provo schedule it looks like there are ~212 session per week. Lets say there are 30 temples who can operate with that type of schedule.

    A small temple (like Columbia, SC) will have 16 or so sessions per week. Lets round that up to 20 sessions per week. That leaves 114 temples with 20 sessions per week.

    Adding up the number of sessions brings us to 8640 sessions per week. I'll round it up to 9K.

    Let's assume that each session has 50 people in them. That means in a week there are 450K ordinances performed.

    There are ~1.1M deaths per week. So each week we're falling behind by ~650K people.
    I thought after Rmoney ran for president the last time we stopped baptizing the Jews...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    You guys are thinking too linearly. Clack, care to enlighten us how multiple dimensions solve the temple ordinance problem?
    Dang... my call to greatness came and I was busy living. I'll give this a shot. No need to go into multiple dimensions as I can handle this conundrum with current understandings of the future Millenium.

    Temple ordinances for the dead are a rouse. They're an exercise for us to be measured. It seems that much of the Church is a snipe hunt with us running the gauntlet of good versus evil. In my mind temple work for the dead is akin to polygamy. It's a good way to spend a Friday night, but outside of your own endowment, it's not essential. Genealogy could be important, but I imagine that our Windows 8 is no match for the Kolob 24 when keeping statistical information on the manifest of Earthly inhabitants.

    We are told the preeminent work of the Millenium will be temple oriented. It will be a great double entry on the books to make sure everything is balanced before the Great and Final Judgment is meted out to the participants on this particular go-round. (Go round meaning participants of the Council in Heaven who voted on a Savior, and our opportunity to progress from Spirit to Body to Glorified Bodies.)

    Doing temple work for the whole existence of mankind will only take <10 years of 1 endowment per day per individual. Let's look at the numbers. Let's say that 20 million people are going to do the temple work for 20 billion people.

    20 million per day.
    200 million per 10 days.
    2 billion per 100 days.
    20 billion per 1000 days.

    If 20 million people did 1 session of temple work per day for 1,000 years that would be 7.3 trillion sessions.

    The whole thing can be done very quickly especially with improved communications and better equipment. With so much time to spare, it will be easy to take a few hundred years to build the Millennial Utopia infrastructure we need to perform the ordinances. I think if you enjoy the moment you're in right now, you're going to really love the Millenium. There will be some really good times ahead for those who stood true and faithful to the covenants they made. All the non-resurrected people are going to have to be holed up in que waiting for their work to get done and for the Millenium to end so that they can get their new immortal body. What a great day that will be!
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    tl;dr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
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    That was a great clack post.

    Our youth in the stake had a challenge over the summer to index 100,000 in total. They made it mostly due to one kid that did over 20,000 names by himself. Not really the way I'd want to spend my summer but whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clackamascoug View Post
    Dang... my call to greatness came and I was busy living. I'll give this a shot. No need to go into multiple dimensions as I can handle this conundrum with current understandings of the future Millenium.

    Temple ordinances for the dead are a rouse. They're an exercise for us to be measured. It seems that much of the Church is a snipe hunt with us running the gauntlet of good versus evil. In my mind temple work for the dead is akin to polygamy. It's a good way to spend a Friday night, but outside of your own endowment, it's not essential. Genealogy could be important, but I imagine that our Windows 8 is no match for the Kolob 24 when keeping statistical information on the manifest of Earthly inhabitants.

    We are told the preeminent work of the Millenium will be temple oriented. It will be a great double entry on the books to make sure everything is balanced before the Great and Final Judgment is meted out to the participants on this particular go-round. (Go round meaning participants of the Council in Heaven who voted on a Savior, and our opportunity to progress from Spirit to Body to Glorified Bodies.)

    Doing temple work for the whole existence of mankind will only take <10 years of 1 endowment per day per individual. Let's look at the numbers. Let's say that 20 million people are going to do the temple work for 20 billion people.

    20 million per day.
    200 million per 10 days.
    2 billion per 100 days.
    20 billion per 1000 days.

    If 20 million people did 1 session of temple work per day for 1,000 years that would be 7.3 trillion sessions.

    The whole thing can be done very quickly especially with improved communications and better equipment. With so much time to spare, it will be easy to take a few hundred years to build the Millennial Utopia infrastructure we need to perform the ordinances. I think if you enjoy the moment you're in right now, you're going to really love the Millenium. There will be some really good times ahead for those who stood true and faithful to the covenants they made. All the non-resurrected people are going to have to be holed up in que waiting for their work to get done and for the Millenium to end so that they can get their new immortal body. What a great day that will be!
    With all that time in the millennium, I look forward to watching BYU play some good football. We should get the best recruits. I wonder who they'll play?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    With all that time in the millennium, I look forward to watching BYU play some good football. We should get the best recruits. I wonder who they'll play?
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    Quote Originally Posted by clackamascoug View Post
    Dang... my call to greatness came and I was busy living. I'll give this a shot. No need to go into multiple dimensions as I can handle this conundrum with current understandings of the future Millenium.

    Temple ordinances for the dead are a rouse. They're an exercise for us to be measured. It seems that much of the Church is a snipe hunt with us running the gauntlet of good versus evil. In my mind temple work for the dead is akin to polygamy. It's a good way to spend a Friday night, but outside of your own endowment, it's not essential. Genealogy could be important, but I imagine that our Windows 8 is no match for the Kolob 24 when keeping statistical information on the manifest of Earthly inhabitants.

    We are told the preeminent work of the Millenium will be temple oriented. It will be a great double entry on the books to make sure everything is balanced before the Great and Final Judgment is meted out to the participants on this particular go-round. (Go round meaning participants of the Council in Heaven who voted on a Savior, and our opportunity to progress from Spirit to Body to Glorified Bodies.)

    Doing temple work for the whole existence of mankind will only take <10 years of 1 endowment per day per individual. Let's look at the numbers. Let's say that 20 million people are going to do the temple work for 20 billion people.

    20 million per day.
    200 million per 10 days.
    2 billion per 100 days.
    20 billion per 1000 days.

    If 20 million people did 1 session of temple work per day for 1,000 years that would be 7.3 trillion sessions.

    The whole thing can be done very quickly especially with improved communications and better equipment. With so much time to spare, it will be easy to take a few hundred years to build the Millennial Utopia infrastructure we need to perform the ordinances. I think if you enjoy the moment you're in right now, you're going to really love the Millenium. There will be some really good times ahead for those who stood true and faithful to the covenants they made. All the non-resurrected people are going to have to be holed up in que waiting for their work to get done and for the Millenium to end so that they can get their new immortal body. What a great day that will be!
    THIS is why I'm back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
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    That was mean. How much nicer would it have been to just say you read it in at least one other dimension?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Tic View Post
    THIS is why I'm back.

    Thanks, Clack. Don't let the bastards get you down.


    Clack, you didn't disappoint. Although I was hoping for an extra dimension or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker View Post
    That was mean. How much nicer would it have been to just say you read it in at least one other dimension?
    OK, I skimmed it. I think Clack forgot to take something into account. It is a well-known LDS doctrine that those who died before the age of accountability are automatically saved and they will be given a chance during the millennium to get married and have kids of their own. Presumably, the kids born to those people will be able to have kids, and their kids will have kids, etc. So let's assume that there are maybe one billion people during the history of the earth that died before turning eight years old (I think that is grossly conservative, btw - true number is surely much higher). Next, let's assume that they pair up and have two kids every twenty years (this is probably also conservative - why not crank one out every year?). Then let's assume that those kids have kids every twenty years, then their kids have kids in twenty years and so on. So the population would double every 20 years, resulting in about a 4% growth rate per year. Starting with 1B and growing at this rate, this is how many people we have on earth at the end of the millennium:

    107,978,999,416,660,000,000,000,000

    I believe that would be called 108 septillion. Just for a sense of scale, there are 147.8 trillion square meters of dry land on the earth. If you divide that into the number shown above, this is how many people you would have per square meter:

    730,081,131,958

    730 trillion! That's pretty darn crowded. If we complained loudly enough, maybe Jesus would build us some more worlds so that we can spread out. I think we need at least 1/4 acre per family of four. That is about 250 square meters per person. At this rate we would have:

    591,600,000,000

    humans per world. Dividing that into the number above, we would need a total of

    182,520,282,989,621

    worlds to house everyone. AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN COUNT THE REST OF US WHO DIDN'T DIE IN INFANCY.

    Sheesh, that is a lot of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    OK, I skimmed it. I think Clack forgot to take something into account. It is a well-known LDS doctrine that those who died before the age of accountability are automatically saved and they will be given a chance during the millennium to get married and have kids of their own. Presumably, the kids born to those people will be able to have kids, and their kids will have kids, etc. So let's assume that there are maybe one billion people during the history of the earth that died before turning eight years old (I think that is grossly conservative, btw - true number is surely much higher). Next, let's assume that they pair up and have two kids every twenty years (this is probably also conservative - why not crank one out every year?). Then let's assume that those kids have kids every twenty years, then their kids have kids in twenty years and so on. So the population would double every 20 years, resulting in about a 4% growth rate per year. Starting with 1B and growing at this rate, this is how many people we have on earth at the end of the millennium:

    107,978,999,416,660,000,000,000,000

    I believe that would be called 108 septillion. Just for a sense of scale, there are 147.8 trillion square meters of dry land on the earth. If you divide that into the number shown above, this is how many people you would have per square meter:

    730,081,131,958

    730 trillion! That's pretty darn crowded. If we complained loudly enough, maybe Jesus would build us some more worlds so that we can spread out. I think we need at least 1/4 acre per family of four. That is about 250 square meters per person. At this rate we would have:

    591,600,000,000

    humans per world. Dividing that into the number above, we would need a total of

    182,520,282,989,621

    worlds to house everyone. AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN COUNT THE REST OF US WHO DIDN'T DIE IN INFANCY.

    Sheesh, that is a lot of people.
    Pretty sure this is where the other dimensions come in handy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    Pretty sure this is where the other dimensions come in handy...
    Ha. No way. Adding other dimensions makes the whole thing explode. Multiply all those numbers by infinity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Ha. No way. Adding other dimensions makes the whole thing explode. Multiply all those numbers by infinity.
    But what if no one in other those other dimensions died before 8? Or what if Jesus just said, screw it, those people aren't going to get to get married and have kids. You can't assume the same rules apply across all dimensions, dude!
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    I'm waiting for Clack to weigh in and settle things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    OK, I skimmed it. I think Clack forgot to take something into account. It is a well-known LDS doctrine that those who died before the age of accountability are automatically saved and they will be given a chance during the millennium to get married and have kids of their own. Presumably, the kids born to those people will be able to have kids, and their kids will have kids, etc. So let's assume that there are maybe one billion people during the history of the earth that died before turning eight years old (I think that is grossly conservative, btw - true number is surely much higher). Next, let's assume that they pair up and have two kids every twenty years (this is probably also conservative - why not crank one out every year?). Then let's assume that those kids have kids every twenty years, then their kids have kids in twenty years and so on. So the population would double every 20 years, resulting in about a 4% growth rate per year. Starting with 1B and growing at this rate, this is how many people we have on earth at the end of the millennium:

    107,978,999,416,660,000,000,000,000

    I believe that would be called 108 septillion. Just for a sense of scale, there are 147.8 trillion square meters of dry land on the earth. If you divide that into the number shown above, this is how many people you would have per square meter:

    730,081,131,958

    730 trillion! That's pretty darn crowded. If we complained loudly enough, maybe Jesus would build us some more worlds so that we can spread out. I think we need at least 1/4 acre per family of four. That is about 250 square meters per person. At this rate we would have:

    591,600,000,000

    humans per world. Dividing that into the number above, we would need a total of

    182,520,282,989,621

    worlds to house everyone. AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN COUNT THE REST OF US WHO DIDN'T DIE IN INFANCY.

    Sheesh, that is a lot of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clackamascoug View Post
    I can't win for losing. JL is a better Clack than I am.

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    I just got an email from someone in the stake telling us of a 750k name indexing goal for this year. Apparently, that translates to a 64k name goal for our ward. The HPGL in our ward asked during priesthood opening exercises who would help. Not many hands went up. He tried guilting us into it, but my hand, as well as most others, stayed down. After perusing this thread, I found that I agree with both Moliere and smr:

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    I'm still not a fan of indexing. I guess it stems from my disinterest in genealogy.
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    Same. But I think it stems from my disinterest in doing boring stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    I just got an email from someone in the stake telling us of a 750k name indexing goal for this year. Apparently, that translates to a 64k name goal for our ward. The HPGL in our ward asked during priesthood opening exercises who would help. Not many hands went up. He tried guilting us into it, but my hand, as well as most others, stayed down. After perusing this thread, I found that I agree with both Moliere and smr:


    I’m still not a fan. Thankfully my current stake leaders don’t seem to care much about it.


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    This is a program that I just saw again recently. Thought some might find it fascinating. Lot's of references to the Church ...

    Data Mining the Deceased:

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