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    Sheesh. What on earth is wrong with some inmates converting paper data into digital, searchable data? Especially when they enjoy doing it?

    You guys try way too hard sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    I'm still not a fan of indexing. I guess it stems from my disinterest in genealogy.
    My wife's side is much more interesting to me than my own (sorry, ancestors). The Chinese kept really good records of the men (not so much of the wives and daughters), so whenever we do her family names at the temple, we have people born in the 7th and 8th centuries. I started learning about Chinese history and what life was like for people then because doing their work made me curious. I still don't do the actual genealogy, but I'm more interested in it now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Sheesh. What on earth is wrong with some inmates converting paper data into digital, searchable data? Especially when they enjoy doing it?

    You guys try way too hard sometimes.
    Super bizarre comment.

    Did somebody say there was something wrong with prisoners indexing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    Super bizarre comment.

    Did somebody say there was something wrong with prisoners indexing?
    Apparently JL takes indexing very seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    Super bizarre comment.

    Did somebody say there was something wrong with prisoners indexing?


    All this in response to an article about prisoners doing indexing:

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    The church is even emasculating prisoners these days.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    I'm still not a fan of indexing. I guess it stems from my disinterest in genealogy.
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    Same. But I think it stems from my disinterest in doing boring stuff.
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    Yeah, same here. But I guess I would be a fan if I was in prison and had nothing better to do.
    You are all too badass for indexing. We get that. But if the inmates genuinely enjoy it and it provides a useful service that benefits virtually anyone in the world interested in genealogy, then why not? Sounds like a great program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    Apparently JL takes indexing very seriously.
    Never tried it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post


    All this in response to an article about prisoners doing indexing:









    You are all too badass for indexing. We get that. But if the inmates genuinely enjoy it and it provides a useful service that benefits virtually anyone in the world interested in genealogy, then why not? Sounds like a great program.
    I thought my comment about the church emasculating prisoners was obviously TIC. I'm one of the defenders of the faith on here, JL! Sheesh.

    The other comments you quoted were referencing indexing in general and Ted's post even defended the practice specific to prisoners.

    I agree that it sounds like a good program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post


    All this in response to an article about prisoners doing indexing:









    You are all too badass for indexing. We get that. But if the inmates genuinely enjoy it and it provides a useful service that benefits virtually anyone in the world interested in genealogy, then why not? Sounds like a great program.

    Like I said, it most likely beats making license plates. I wonder how much it pays.
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    The church use to have an indexing app for mobile devices. It sucked so they pulled it.

    What they need to do is create a mobile app that makes a game out of indexing with a leaderboard:

    "Look... JL knock off 20,000 names from the obituaries during the ward council meeting. The Dude is in the zone!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Like I said, it most likely beats making license plates. I wonder how much it pays.
    I'd think it'd be volunteer work. When I was in the Big House, I remember inmates making less than $1/hour with most jobs. On the work crews, though, it seemed they could make up to a little more than minimum wage. The entrepreneur in me thinks there's a labor force here that should be exploited.

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    I don't even know what indexing is, but not because of coolness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kccougar View Post
    My parents served as missionaries at the Utah State Prison, working in the family history center there. Many of the inmates really enjoy the work.
    My parents did as well. The young couple I used to home teach were also called and every month our visits were simply discussing the unique aspects of their visits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripletDaddy View Post
    I don't even know what indexing is, but not because of coolness.


    Of course, in about ten years robots will most likely be able do this better than us humans. Our ancestors have been waiting a lot time but another ten years most likely won't hurt them.

    Edit: I wonder when the church will get robots to do the temple work as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Sheesh. What on earth is wrong with some inmates converting paper data into digital, searchable data? Especially when they enjoy doing it?

    You guys try way too hard sometimes.
    So that's what it is, then? Data entry?

    It already seemed boring. Knowing it is data entry makes it seem even more boring.

    But I agree it is probably more exciting than twiddling your thumbs in a prison cell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    The entrepreneur in me thinks there's a labor force here that should be exploited.
    The warden at Shawshank had the same idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TripletDaddy View Post
    I don't even know what indexing is, but not because of coolness.
    You are kinda cool, I bet you are right on the cuff of not knowing what indexing is because of coolness.
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    Our stake had an indexing goal of 1,000,000 names last year. We hit 1.3 million. We have a leaderboard on the stake website and it is like a game similar to what Uncle Ted suggested.

    My neighbor works for the prison as a contractor, he runs a crew of inmates and they do construction jobs around the state. Right now they are working on some data center up in Clearfield. He said he can always outbid people as the inmates are only paid $1.25 an hour.
    *Banned*

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    Quote Originally Posted by TripletDaddy View Post
    I don't even know what indexing is, but not because of coolness.
    I think you're way cool, and you'd be a great indexer should you ever choose to step into fray with the worker bee saints. I think you're on the cusp of taking cool to another level.

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    If the church ever released an essay clarifying some of the more seedy details of indexing, guaranteed that I'll be on of those with their mouths open in shock. Because I have no idea what the hell indexing is. Does section 132 talk about that as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post

    Edit: I wonder when the church will get robots to do the temple work as well.
    Some would say they already do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post


    Of course, in about ten years robots will most likely be able do this better than us humans. Our ancestors have been waiting a lot time but another ten years most likely won't hurt them.

    Edit: I wonder when the church will get robots to do the temple work as well.
    That video is all over the place. Too much 'cute' animation. Thumbs down for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clackamascoug View Post
    I think you're way cool, and you'd be a great indexer should you ever choose to step into fray with the worker bee saints. I think you're on the cusp of taking cool to another level.

    Fame/Fortune/Indexer
    I'm not sure DDD has any interest in being a worker bee.
    From wikipedia: A worker bee is any female (eusocial) bee that lacks the full reproductive capacity of the colony's queen bee...

    Now a drone on the other hand...
    Drones are male honey bees which are the product of an unfertilized egg. Unlike the female worker bee, drones do not have stingers and do not participate in nectar and pollen gathering. A drones' primary role is to mate with a fertile queen.

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    Drone me up, baby! especially if the queen bee is wearing leggings or yoga pants!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cougjunkie View Post
    Our stake had an indexing goal of 1,000,000 names last year. We hit 1.3 million. We have a leaderboard on the stake website and it is like a game similar to what Uncle Ted suggested.
    Holy crap... I found out recently that our stake did a grand total of 90,000 names last year. We suck. Personally I am waiting for the robots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker View Post
    I'm not sure DDD has any interest in being a worker bee.
    From wikipedia: A worker bee is any female (eusocial) bee that lacks the full reproductive capacity of the colony's queen bee...

    Now a drone on the other hand...
    Drones are male honey bees which are the product of an unfertilized egg. Unlike the female worker bee, drones do not have stingers and do not participate in nectar and pollen gathering. A drones' primary role is to mate with a fertile queen.
    Yes, drones... the robots will do this indexing so I can work on the important stuff like fishing. But keep those robots away from my wife!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripletDaddy View Post
    Drone me up, baby! especially if the queen bee is wearing leggings or yoga pants!
    Only he who does something is worthy to live. The world has no use for the drone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    Only he who does something is worthy to live. The world has no use for the drone.
    I'm going to be busy making someone feel glad
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    Have the anti-mo crowd put together a chart of futility yet? One that would show the impossible task laid before members of the church trying to baptize every soul that ever lived even as the population continues to expand at such a high rate? I would like to see some hard or even speculative data on the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueintheface View Post
    Have the anti-mo crowd put together a chart of futility yet? One that would show the impossible task laid before members of the church trying to baptize every soul that ever lived even as the population continues to expand at such a high rate? I would like to see some hard or even speculative data on the subject.
    Exactly. That is why we need an army of robots doing the temple work. Can you imagine how much faster this could be done if the church would just turn this problem over to us engineers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueintheface View Post
    Have the anti-mo crowd put together a chart of futility yet? One that would show the impossible task laid before members of the church trying to baptize every soul that ever lived even as the population continues to expand at such a high rate? I would like to see some hard or even speculative data on the subject.
    I did that once in a boring SS class a while back.

    A large busy temple (like Provo) will have sessions every 20 minutes. Looking at the Provo schedule it looks like there are ~212 session per week. Lets say there are 30 temples who can operate with that type of schedule.

    A small temple (like Columbia, SC) will have 16 or so sessions per week. Lets round that up to 20 sessions per week. That leaves 114 temples with 20 sessions per week.

    Adding up the number of sessions brings us to 8640 sessions per week. I'll round it up to 9K.

    Let's assume that each session has 50 people in them. That means in a week there are 450K ordinances performed.

    There are ~1.1M deaths per week. So each week we're falling behind by ~650K people.

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