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    ....it's everywhere. Priesthood lessons, 5th Sunday lessons, YM/YW firesides, even beig used as a service project for youth camps.

    So, what's the end goal?
    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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    I dunno. My mom spends hours indexing, though. She tried to explain it to me, and I zoned out. It sounds boring.
    "You know, I was looking at your shirt and your scarf and I was thinking that if you had leaned over, I could have seen everything." ~Trial Ad Judge

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Moliere View Post
      ....it's everywhere. Priesthood lessons, 5th Sunday lessons, YM/YW firesides, even beig used as a service project for youth camps.

      So, what's the end goal?
      It used to be logical to me. That we are baptizing all the dead for all the human family that has ever lived, and we are making progress slowly until they are all done. But then when you do the math, you discover more people die each day than the number of people that get their temple work done in a day, so the church falls further behind each day. It really does make you wonder what the point is.

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      • #4
        Never heard of it. Is this at all related to Zumba?
        Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

        For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

        Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Moliere
          So, what's the end goal?
          A place for everything and everything in it's place.
          "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


          "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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          • #6
            Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
            Never heard of it. Is this at all related to Zumba?
            Google?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Viking View Post
              Google?
              I Googled Zumba. No references to Indexing.
              Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

              For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

              Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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              • #8
                No, I mean Google. That's what they do: Indexing.

                I haven't seen the inside of a Mormon chapel in the US in ten years now so I have no idea what you're talking about.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Viking View Post
                  No, I mean Google. That's what they do: Indexing.

                  I haven't seen the inside of a Mormon chapel in the US in ten years now so I have no idea what you're talking about.
                  So Indexing is Googling? Do people just Google random stuff? Why would this be discussed in church, unless of course people are Googling porn. Mrs. Funk's mom?!?!?

                  As for Zumba, I don't know what it is either, but I hear women both inside and outside The Church do it.
                  Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                  For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                  Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jay santos View Post
                    It really does make you wonder what the point is.
                    "a good start"
                    "practice"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
                      "a good start"
                      "practice"
                      But the indexed names are not being added to the temple queue. Is it simply to make genealogy easier so they can be added or is there some other end game?
                      "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
                        "a good start"
                        "practice"
                        This and I think the temple is great for the living. Service is extremely inneffecient by design in many cases.

                        I am not so convinced God is particularly concerned about endstates, or better put His endstate is not always so obvious. I don't think indexing is nearly as much about redeeming the dead, although I think they will be redeemed eventually. I am not even convinced the ordinances are neccesary, but I think the concern is. Does that make any sense?
                        Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                        -General George S. Patton

                        I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                          But the indexed names are not being added to the temple queue. Is it simply to make genealogy easier so they can be added or is there some other end game?
                          Doesn't the indexing just get the census into a database? My guess is it is for what you say, the making of geneology easier.

                          My wife indexes. I don't as it strikes me as boring. I also don't do geneology but my pops is going senile so my mom is pretty much home all day until he passes, I figure I could go to the big house once a week the rest of my natural life and I will never catch up to the names she has generated. I find her pursuit a bit wacky and out of balance, but I figure it is something she can put her energy into as her life is changing. I guess sort of a mourning exercise.
                          Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                          -General George S. Patton

                          I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                          -DOCTOR Wuap

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                            This and I think the temple is great for the living. Service is extremely inneffecient by design in many cases.

                            I am not so convinced God is particularly concerned about endstates, or better put His endstate is not always so obvious. I don't think indexing is nearly as much about redeeming the dead, although I think they will be redeemed eventually. I am not even convinced the ordinances are neccesary, but I think the concern is. Does that make any sense?
                            Yes, it's obvious the purpose of the temple is more for the living than the dead. I think there is a thread around here goes into this.

                            I applaud the church seeking to make geneology easier, but the push is dramatic, at least in my neck of the woods. Indexing is the default for everything. Maybe it's just because it's new and hasn't been pushed for 180 years.
                            "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                              Yes, it's obvious the purpose of the temple is more for the living than the dead. I think there is a thread around here goes into this.

                              I applaud the church seeking to make geneology easier, but the push is dramatic, at least in my neck of the woods. Indexing is the default for everything. Maybe it's just because it's new and hasn't been pushed for 180 years.
                              It has been my experience that every new program coming from the Church is treated as it comes directly from God and it is not uncommon for leadership to throw themselves into it in an effort, often motivated by genuine righteous desires as well as obsequiousness, to be obedient. In time the really good ones that have a more long term divine purpose shine through and are grasped onto more firmly and the ones that are a decent idea but no real long term staying power or benefit fade.

                              I have no strong opinion on where indexing will lie, but my guess is eventually it will be something that my kids explain to their kids like I talk about the Indian Placement Program.
                              Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                              -General George S. Patton

                              I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                              -DOCTOR Wuap

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