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    ....it's everywhere. Priesthood lessons, 5th Sunday lessons, YM/YW firesides, even beig used as a service project for youth camps.

    So, what's the end goal?
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    I dunno. My mom spends hours indexing, though. She tried to explain it to me, and I zoned out. It sounds boring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    ....it's everywhere. Priesthood lessons, 5th Sunday lessons, YM/YW firesides, even beig used as a service project for youth camps.

    So, what's the end goal?
    It used to be logical to me. That we are baptizing all the dead for all the human family that has ever lived, and we are making progress slowly until they are all done. But then when you do the math, you discover more people die each day than the number of people that get their temple work done in a day, so the church falls further behind each day. It really does make you wonder what the point is.

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    Never heard of it. Is this at all related to Zumba?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere
    So, what's the end goal?
    A place for everything and everything in it's place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    Never heard of it. Is this at all related to Zumba?
    Google?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking View Post
    Google?
    I Googled Zumba. No references to Indexing.
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    No, I mean Google. That's what they do: Indexing.

    I haven't seen the inside of a Mormon chapel in the US in ten years now so I have no idea what you're talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking View Post
    No, I mean Google. That's what they do: Indexing.

    I haven't seen the inside of a Mormon chapel in the US in ten years now so I have no idea what you're talking about.
    So Indexing is Googling? Do people just Google random stuff? Why would this be discussed in church, unless of course people are Googling porn. Mrs. Funk's mom?!?!?

    As for Zumba, I don't know what it is either, but I hear women both inside and outside The Church do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    It really does make you wonder what the point is.
    "a good start"
    "practice"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katy Lied View Post
    "a good start"
    "practice"
    But the indexed names are not being added to the temple queue. Is it simply to make genealogy easier so they can be added or is there some other end game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katy Lied View Post
    "a good start"
    "practice"
    This and I think the temple is great for the living. Service is extremely inneffecient by design in many cases.

    I am not so convinced God is particularly concerned about endstates, or better put His endstate is not always so obvious. I don't think indexing is nearly as much about redeeming the dead, although I think they will be redeemed eventually. I am not even convinced the ordinances are neccesary, but I think the concern is. Does that make any sense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    But the indexed names are not being added to the temple queue. Is it simply to make genealogy easier so they can be added or is there some other end game?
    Doesn't the indexing just get the census into a database? My guess is it is for what you say, the making of geneology easier.

    My wife indexes. I don't as it strikes me as boring. I also don't do geneology but my pops is going senile so my mom is pretty much home all day until he passes, I figure I could go to the big house once a week the rest of my natural life and I will never catch up to the names she has generated. I find her pursuit a bit wacky and out of balance, but I figure it is something she can put her energy into as her life is changing. I guess sort of a mourning exercise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    This and I think the temple is great for the living. Service is extremely inneffecient by design in many cases.

    I am not so convinced God is particularly concerned about endstates, or better put His endstate is not always so obvious. I don't think indexing is nearly as much about redeeming the dead, although I think they will be redeemed eventually. I am not even convinced the ordinances are neccesary, but I think the concern is. Does that make any sense?
    Yes, it's obvious the purpose of the temple is more for the living than the dead. I think there is a thread around here goes into this.

    I applaud the church seeking to make geneology easier, but the push is dramatic, at least in my neck of the woods. Indexing is the default for everything. Maybe it's just because it's new and hasn't been pushed for 180 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Yes, it's obvious the purpose of the temple is more for the living than the dead. I think there is a thread around here goes into this.

    I applaud the church seeking to make geneology easier, but the push is dramatic, at least in my neck of the woods. Indexing is the default for everything. Maybe it's just because it's new and hasn't been pushed for 180 years.
    It has been my experience that every new program coming from the Church is treated as it comes directly from God and it is not uncommon for leadership to throw themselves into it in an effort, often motivated by genuine righteous desires as well as obsequiousness, to be obedient. In time the really good ones that have a more long term divine purpose shine through and are grasped onto more firmly and the ones that are a decent idea but no real long term staying power or benefit fade.

    I have no strong opinion on where indexing will lie, but my guess is eventually it will be something that my kids explain to their kids like I talk about the Indian Placement Program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Yes, it's obvious the purpose of the temple is more for the living than the dead. I think there is a thread around here goes into this.

    I applaud the church seeking to make geneology easier, but the push is dramatic, at least in my neck of the woods. Indexing is the default for everything. Maybe it's just because it's new and hasn't been pushed for 180 years.
    They got the youth involved somehow. It went through our stake a couple years ago, and now it's died down. There was a contest to see which ward could index the most names. It was promoted at every youth meeting. Youth would bear their testimonies about the importance of indexing and challenge each other to index more. I haven't heard anything on it for the last year or so.

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    Indexing is totally new to me. We haven't seen or heard anything about it here, which seems kind of odd.
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    I'll admit that a 5th Sunday lesson on indexing is better than a lesson on porn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    They got the youth involved somehow. It went through our stake a couple years ago, and now it's died down. There was a contest to see which ward could index the most names. It was promoted at every youth meeting. Youth would bear their testimonies about the importance of indexing and challenge each other to index more. I haven't heard anything on it for the last year or so.
    It has apparently hit our stake now. The stake president talked about it last week in ward conference. The high councilman talked about it yesterday in sacrament. The stake goal is $1,000,000+ names for the year. It will be interesting to see if the contagion takes hold on the ward level...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sullyute View Post
    It has apparently hit our stake now. The stake president talked about it last week in ward conference. The high councilman talked about it yesterday in sacrament. The stake goal is $1,000,000+ names for the year. It will be interesting to see if the contagion takes hold on the ward level...
    Wonder if I have any family lines in the $1,000,000 range

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paperback Writer View Post
    Wonder if I have any family lines in the $1,000,000 range
    I think that I have done that a couple of times on CUF. There must be something in my subconscious that makes me use the dollar symbol when I am talking about church related numbers.
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    Indexing still going strong here. I just received a detailed report for the stake that lists the number of names indexed by member.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Indexing still going strong here. I just received a detailed report for the stake that lists the number of names indexed by member.
    Yay! More church TPS reports to oversee the members.

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    For the first time in my experience, "indexing" was mentioned two weeks ago by the HCman in his sac mtg talk. He was trying to get the YM/YW excited about family history work and mentioned indexing as something that could be done "online."
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    I guess it beats making license plates...

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    David joined a team at the Kane County, Utah, jail that he found surprisingly comforting — the family history indexing team. “Indexing brought the inmates together in teamwork — like a sporting event — and it was really good to see in a setting like this,” the prisoner explained. “Indexing allows us to have a positive interaction with one another.”

    The process of indexing uses FamilySearch software to view images of old records and requires volunteers to enter a variety of records — birth, marriage, death, census, ship logs and other sources — into the system. The data is then compiled by FamilySearch (an organization of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) into a searchable index, matched with corresponding images, published on FamilySearch.org and is then available for public use.


    “Because of indexing, more people are discovering their ancestors more quickly than at any time in history,” said Mike Judson, who manages the indexing volunteer efforts for FamilySearch. “This ease of discovery is helping thousands of people every day to better understand who they are and where they came from.”


    The Kane County indexers are among nearly 2,300 inmates in Utah, Idaho and Arizona who voluntarily participate in the family history indexing program sponsored by the Church. At the Utah State Corrections facility the indexing center runs three shifts a day, seven days a week, and supports that time with donated computer equipment and volunteer advisors from local units of the Church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    I guess it beats making license plates...



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    “Indexing brought the inmates together in teamwork — like a sporting event — and it was really good to see in a setting like this,” the prisoner explained. “Indexing allows us to have a positive interaction with one another.”
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    I'm still not a fan of indexing. I guess it stems from my disinterest in genealogy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    I'm still not a fan of indexing. I guess it stems from my disinterest in genealogy.
    Same. But I think it stems from my disinterest in doing boring stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    I'm still not a fan of indexing. I guess it stems from my disinterest in genealogy.
    Yeah, same here. But I guess I would be a fan if I was in prison and had nothing better to do.
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