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  • #16
    I didn't see it in the article I read, why is this coming out now when it happened in 2002? Did the former grad assistant decide to go to the authorities years after the fact?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Hsaru View Post
      I didn't see it in the article I read, why is this coming out now when it happened in 2002? Did the former grad assistant decide to go to the authorities years after the fact?
      A previous DA declined to prosecute. He disappeared shortly after that decision, and was presumed dead in July, IIRC.

      The former grad assistant is currently PSU's receivers coach and recruiting coordinator. He and his father went to Paterno almost immediately after witnessing the incident, and from there Paterno took it to the AD.

      "It" is more than just one incident. There are eight victims in the grand jury report. I'd suggest reading it, but if you don't have the stomach to read about such vile acts, traditional media will hit all the necessary sounding points.

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      • #18
        Maybe ND should join the B1G, they could swap pedo stories with PSU.

        Pretty disgusting. If JoePa knew and did not report it to police, he deserves to have his reputation being destroyed, at the least.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
          A grand jury report is not a conviction; on the contrary, it's an accusation. If this is like grand jury proceedings I'm aware of, neither the defense attorney nor the defendant is allowed to be present, there is no cross-examination, the defendant is not allowed to confront his accusers. There are no due process protections. In fact, much of the proceeding, identities of witnesses, etc., is kept forever secret.

          As a general proposition, I don't care if a prosecutor thinks his case is "air tight". Especially when dealing with famous people, prosecutorial ambition is a dangerious thing, and prosecutors should be regarded with suspicion. I could cite many examples, such as Senator Ted Stephens' prosecution, where a furious trial judge wound up dismissing the charges, and the disgraced prosecutor committed suicide.

          What we know of the grand jury report does sound horrible. But actually Paterno is right; the legal process needs to do its thing before people pass final judgment. This is one major thing that makes America special, after all.

          I don't get the comparisons to recruiting violations. That seems to cheapen purported concern about the whole disturbing situation. Are people associated with universities that have been sacntioned for recruiting violations trying to use this alleged horror to minimize their own bad behavior?

          Also, it's as if some people's primary reaction to this is to use it to try to ruin Paterno's reputation. This allegedly horrific situation doesn't really appear to be about Joe Paterno. Finally, there's nothing about Paterno's statement that makes me think they're acting like Penn State football is a religion.
          I think this is the first time I've ever agreed 100% with a SeattleUte post. Of course, this may be the first non-trolling post of his I've ever read.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
            I don't get the comparisons to recruiting violations. That seems to cheapen purported concern about the whole disturbing situation. Are people associated with universities that have been sacntioned for recruiting violations trying to use this alleged horror to minimize their own bad behavior?

            Also, it's as if some people's primary reaction to this is to use it to try to ruin Paterno's reputation. This allegedly horrific situation doesn't really appear to be about Joe Paterno. Finally, there's nothing about Paterno's statement that makes me think they're acting like Penn State football is a religion.
            Really?

            I understand that people are upset and angry, but let’s be fair and let the legal process unfold. In the meantime I would ask all Penn Staters to continue to trust in what that name represents, continue to pursue their lives every day with high ideals and not let these events shake their beliefs nor who they are.”
            "In the meantime, I would as all Members of the Church to continue to turst in what the LDS Church represents, continue to pursue their lives every day with high ideals and not let these events shake their beliefs nor who they are."
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            • #21
              I can't remember a more disturbing story in sports. I also have to admit I was a huge admirer of JoPa and the cleanliness of his program prior to these events. Now to know that this was going on and more than a handful of people decided to 'handle it internally' I can't think of a more despicable NCAA program.

              The respect I had for JoPa was similar to that I had for Lavell Edwards (even as a Ute fan I've always loved the guy) and it is a tough pill to swallow independent of what the grand jury decides to make of his involvement. If a GA came to him with anything at all along the lines of what was happening he did wrong.

              I'm also not misdirecting my disgust towards the wrong players in this story. Obviously, the DC is the horrid man in this story, but unfortunately I read the disturbing details of what occurred and don't believe anything else need be said about him. The accusations speak for themselves.

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              • #22
                This guy wrote a book about himself..

                The name of his book (Not joking): Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story


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                • #23
                  As a Penn State alum, I'm saddened and shocked by this story. There are big problems in Centre County with the cozy relationships between the law and PSU's athletic program.

                  I don't know about his involvement in these disgusting allegations, but JoePa isn't innocent in (previous) Penn State's efforts to work the legal system to keep players out of jail, minimize bad press, etc. But he's so old now that I have a really hard time holding him accountable for anything except keeping his drawers clean vs. Ohio State and holding his road-rage in check.

                  Listen to any of his press-conferences/interviews and you'll see what I mean. The guy is great and has done a lot of good, but I think he lacks a full awareness of his surroundings.
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                  • #24
                    So in a case that allegedly has nothing to do with anybody other than the accused and his victims, people are already resigning/losing their jobs. Why don't they just wait and let the facts play out?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                      So in a case that allegedly has nothing to do with anybody other than the accused and his victims, people are already resigning/losing their jobs. Why don't they just wait and let the facts play out?

                      http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoot...scandal-110611
                      Being associated with that situation in any way would be a complete disgrace.

                      Imagine going to work with those allegations hanging over you.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                        So in a case that allegedly has nothing to do with anybody other than the accused and his victims, people are already resigning/losing their jobs. Why don't they just wait and let the facts play out?

                        http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoot...scandal-110611
                        You continue to bandwagon and add to the rush to judment in this tragic story. Does it make you feel better? The AD was placed on administrative leave, probably paid by the university, so he could focus on saving his liberty. The adminstrator, who is 62, volumtarily returned to retirement. They maintain their innocense and the university is paying for their defenses, which means that the university is presuming them innocent until convicted, which is what it should do.
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                        • #27
                          All the talk on the local radio today was that JoPa should step down immediately. What a sad ending to his career if this is how he goes out.
                          "They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.

                          Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                            But actually Paterno is right; the legal process needs to do its thing before people pass final judgment.
                            But Paterno never gave the legal process a chance to do its thing; he sat on eyewitness testimony of Sandusky raping a 10 year old boy in the Penn lockerroom showers. So when it blows up in his face, he says to let the process happen. When he stifled and suppressed the legal process for 20 years, he wasn't interested in letting it happen.

                            I believe this is why Paterno never let Sandusky take over. Paterno was content to let Sandusky carry out his rapes and molestations in Paterno's lockerroom, but he was going to deny Sandusky the ultimate prize because Paterno was more concerned about his football program than saving multiple young boys. Rapes could happen all day long with 10 year old boys, but rapes could never sully any head coach of his program.

                            As naive as she was for meeting with Sandusky and demanding that he promise never to shower with young boys again, at least the mother of one of the victims tried to protect future victions. Paterno never made any such threat to Sandusky; stop or I will fire you. Or I will fire you whether you stop or not. Paterno sheltered and promoted Sandusky over a 20 year period, knowing what he was doing.
                            Last edited by Katy Lied; 11-07-2011, 07:57 AM.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
                              But Paterno never gave the legal process a chance to do its thing; he sat on eyewitness testimony of Sandusky raping a 10 year old boy in the Penn lockerroom showers. So when it blows up in his face, he says to let the process happen. When he stifled and suppressed the legal process for 20 years, he wasn't interested in letting it happen.

                              I believe this is why Paterno never let Sandusky take over. Paterno was content to let Sandusky carry out his rapes and molestations in Paterno's lockerroom, but he was going to deny Sandusky the ultimate prize.

                              Paterno was more concerned about his football program than saving multiple young boys. Rapes could happen all day long with 10 year old boys, but rapes could never sully any head coach of his program.
                              Exactly. I think Paterno should be charged as an accessory to Sandusky's rapes. He allowed it to happen and it's time for him to suffer the consequences.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
                                As naive as she was for meeting with Sandusky and demanding that he promise never to shower with young boys again, at least the mother of one of the victims tried to protect future victions. Paterno never made any such threat to Sandusky; stop or I will fire you. Or I will fire you whether you stop or not. Paterno sheltered and promoted Sandusky over a 20 year period, knowing what he was doing.
                                At this point is there any evidence that Paterno knew the extent other than the 2002 incident which is after Sandusky retired? And even there the grand jury report leaves it up in the air as to how specific the GA was with Paterno.

                                I just don't think it is clear that he knew about it or covered it up.

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