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    What is your ranking of the best series of the past decade? I know next to nothing about anything network related over the past 7 or 8 years but doubt I've missed much. I was given the box set of The Wire as a gift and should likely be more repentant than I am for watching it. AMC is the only non-premium channel that seems to be producing notable original series.

    There obviously is a lot of choices and much like food or lovers to each his own. Some notables I've left off my list

    * Lost- I never saw an episode. I keep planning to watch the DVD or dowload the series on itunes, but it feels like too much of a commitment at this time.
    *Sopranos- I have seen one or two of the edited for TV episodes. Too much is lost when they have to seemingly edit every other word or chop full scenes.
    * 24 First season was great. Novel idea, very well executed and one of the best season finales I can think of it. Unfortunately, it quickly degineratived into typical network garbage. I have little to no memories of season 2 and I doubt I washed more than one or two episodes from season 3 on.
    * Reality TV Survivor was (is?) king. Again great initial premise but I tired quickly of the tribe and Jeff Probst. I'm not sure I ever watched another reality series more than once or twice. I hear Hard Knocks is great, but have only seen a few clips on youtube.
    *Walking Dead and The Killing. I watched both after the fact, via itunes. Each had an interesting premise, but fell just a little short.
    *Office/Arrested Development/Curb your Enthusiasm: I know each show has a strong following, but again I've only seen a handful of episodes from each. Funny, but meh.

    My top 5 of the past 10 years
    1) The Wire: Drama at its best. Rarely, if ever, have a I seen such multi-layered characters. It was so easy to care about and dislike so many individuals. A scarred, gay, Robin Hood-like, gun thug was one of my favorite people of all time.

    2) Mad Men: I'm not old enough to remember this time, but my dad would have been almost the same age as Don. Though, very different men so much of what Don and other of that generation went through rings true and reminds me of my father.

    3) Breaking Bad: Depending how the first few episodes of season 4 goes, this could vault past MM. Oh, Jesse what will you do?

    4) The Shield: Vic Mackey- liar, thief, adulterer, murderer, crooked cop...and yet you somehow made me root for you. The ending to the next to last season was breathtaking. As Lem's car smoldered away and Shane walked away in horror, I sat in stunned silence.

    5) The gap between 4th and 5th is, Secretariat at the Belmont, huge. I'm sure someone will remind me of a better show and I reserve the right to edit my list. For now I will go with Justified. Good story lines, Timothy Olyphant and Walton Goggins are great. The mid-season episodes wander away from the overall story too much and catching the bad guy at the end of every episode is a little too CSIish for me.

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    I would say Dexter should be there. Or does this exclude HBO, Showtime etc...

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    You are missing out on some good TV on FX, IMO. Damages, Justified, Rescue Me, though you did mention the Shield. I tried a few episodes of Mad Men, and couldn't get into it. I'd put Rome, Damages, The Tudors, Sopranos, Lost (even though I hate it) over your shows 2-4. And that's without including any comedies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabrockster View Post
    I would say Dexter should be there. Or does this exclude HBO, Showtime etc...
    No my list just included what I've seen. I agree Dexter would be a good addition. I have only seen the edited for TV version of the first season, but it seems like a cool premise and I love the actor who plays Dexter. Now the one who plays his sister, is beyond annoying.

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    I have mine highlighted here: http://cougaruteforum.com/showthread...hlight=Firefly

    On second thought, I would flip-flop Breaking Bad and Dexter. And, if we can include Freaks & Geeks (I think it ran '99-'00 no?), I would bump Dexter out of the top 5 so it looked like this:

    1. The Wire - the best ever

    2. Arrested Development - my favorite comedy ever

    3. Friday Night Lights - just hit me in a different spot than the other shows and a set of characters i cared more about than any other show i've ever watched

    4. Breaking Bad - would perhaps be higher but it has done things that have irked me more than any of my other favorite show

    5. Freaks and Geeks - hadn't watched this when i did my prior list, and tough to rank this year with only one season, but just so great

    Honorable Mention: Dexter - agree with Sepinwall that it can get a bit formulaic, but has provided some thrilling tv.
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    1. Game of Thrones

    2. Mad Men

    3. The Sopranos

    4. Breaking Bad

    5. The Wire -- based on the 4th Season alone. I thought this show was a bit inconsistent in some of the other seasons, especially the 2nd. The interesting thing about Klosterman's column is that he thought the Wire would only appeal to people who were politically inclined in one particular direction. I don't think that's true. I looked at the show as the illustration of urban corruption in all its forms. David Simon portrayed urban corruption as something that resulted from people all trying maintain and expand their power. Although I think what Simon is saying is true, I think it's the marriage of these personal vices combined with public money being poured into a black hole and little accountability for whether the money is doing any good. People in different parts of the political spectrum can derive something out of this show. Someone with a different political persuasion than I would think after watching the 4th Season, "Hey, we need to put more money into special classes so more of these kids can be helped." I look at it and say "This is the natural result of the Great Society -- kids growing up in deplorable conditions. When you try to screw with Darwin's theories and prop up bad behaviors, this is what happens."

    Honorable Mention:

    Justified: The 2nd season was very good. I felt like the show moved on from the CSIish tendencies and had more of a continual story line. Boyd Crowder is probably one of the top 3 characters on TV right now.

    BSG: This show was very good sometimes and was inconsistent at other times. It suffered from budget issues I think. The original miniseries and first two seasons were great. The last two seasons, not as much. It resembled Lost in this way. But I think the high points of the series were higher than those on Lost.

    Shows I haven't watched: Friday Night Lights (it's on Netflix!) and the Shield.
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    I had the same reaction to Klosterman. There was a podcast a while back where he said he thought BB had overtaken The Wire, because to truly appreciate The Wire it needed to be seen through a certain political lens. That was only a small part of his essay, but I do disagree with what he's saying for mostly the same reasons you listed.

    Why do you cite season 2 as evidence of inconsistency? Do you mean in terms of the quality or the storytelling? I find the quality on par with most of the rest, though obviously the story is somewhat disconnected for certain reasons. The only season I thought was below the rest in terms of quality was 5, but it's more connected to the other season in terms of story.
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    1. The Wire
    2. The Sopranos
    3. Dexter
    4. Breaking Bad

    Just watching Mad Men now so I don't know where to rank it yet.

    1&2 in my list are quite a ways ahead of 3&4 but all are good.
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    I have a hard time ranking things like this, because ultimately the reasons for liking shows are so different, and it becomes an apples and oranges thing.

    The Wire: Dickensian in its scope and success.
    Curb Your Enthusiasm: Some of the funniest moments on TV.
    Louie: Comedy as high art.
    Deadwood: Shakespeare in the Dakotas.
    The Sopranos: The Godfather of television's Renaissance.
    The Larry Sanders Show: Curb and Louie wouldn't exist without it.
    Friday Night Lights: About as good as serious network TV can get.
    Freaks and Geeks: No surprise that Apatow is connected to Larry Sanders, about as good as comedic network TV can get.
    Breaking Bad: Simply mesmerizing, both in the creative cinematography and Cranston's supreme acting.

    I wouldn't know how to rank these shows, since I like them for such different reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkGrace View Post
    I had the same reaction to Klosterman. There was a podcast a while back where he said he thought BB had overtaken The Wire, because to truly appreciate The Wire it needed to be seen through a certain political lens. That was only a small part of his essay, but I do disagree with what he's saying for mostly the same reasons you listed.
    What is the political lens he was talking about? I think my politics in general are quire opposed to David Simon's for example. But I love the show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkGrace View Post
    I had the same reaction to Klosterman. There was a podcast a while back where he said he thought BB had overtaken The Wire, because to truly appreciate The Wire it needed to be seen through a certain political lens. That was only a small part of his essay, but I do disagree with what he's saying for mostly the same reasons you listed.

    Why do you cite season 2 as evidence of inconsistency? Do you mean in terms of the quality or the storytelling? I find the quality on par with most of the rest, though obviously the story is somewhat disconnected for certain reasons. The only season I thought was below the rest in terms of quality was 5, but it's more connected to the other season in terms of story.
    What I really mean is inconsistency in terms of entertaining and interesting. I was really interested in Season 4, not so interested in Season 2. I don't care if the writing was on par, the story itself just didn't interest me very much.
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    Define "best"? I have a very hard time ranking programs but I do have a list of solid programs.

    Comedy:

    Arrested Development - fantastic writing and acting
    The League - very funny and raunchy, especially Jon LaJoie. Most of the dialogue is extemporaneous (and it has the former Miss Maine Katie Aselton and Catalina from My Name is Earl)
    Archer - 22 of the 26 episodes have been outrageously funny, the 4 others are decent.
    South Park - simply brilliant social commentary
    My Name is Earl - Jason Lee, Jaime Pressley, Crab Man, Ethan Supplee, and Nadine Velasquez had potent chemistry
    Freaks and Geeks - I just discovered this on IFC. Very funny.
    Family Guy - until ~2007 was very funny, then it became more raunchy while simultaneously being less funny

    Drama:

    Sopranos - excellent, even the non-ending.
    True Blood - Lafayette Reynolds, Sam Merlotte, and Eric Northman are three of my favorite flawed characters of all time.
    Dexter - the 'good' guy wins
    Rescue Me - A very dark drama with some solid comedy from Denis Leary
    Breaking Bad - I am a very big fan of Brian Cranston from his role on Malcolm in the Middle - see the Race Walking and Roller Disco episodes. A brilliant physical actor, and the writing is excellent
    Mad Men - first half of the first season, then it went downhill for me, I need to go back and watch more.
    The Wire - only saw one episode (the nailgun episode), loved it.
    Walking Dead - started solid, then uh-oh! Hopefully the second season will be strong. I love the concept.
    Dead Like Me - interesting concept, fun stories, sort of Drama-Lite
    The L Word - very interesting to see "the other side" of things, plus it had Kristana Lokken - Rowr!
    Californication - fantastic! Lots of boobies and naughty language, though
    Nip/Tuck - First 2 seasons
    Weeds
    Tell Me You Love Me - a very emotional HBO miniseries revolving around three otherwise unrelated clients who are clients of a single therapist. All four are in different relationship stages (dating, married, headed for divorce, etc). Lots of making sexy time, with some frontal, so be warned.


    SciFi:

    Battlestar Gallactica - Very solid series, strong moral conflicts, though it bogged down when it went to the internal colonial politics
    Firefly - one of my favorite space stories, and the Western theme helped. Serenity is one of my Top 5 sci fi movies of all time.
    Heroes - excellent first season, then it fell on its face. The writers’ strike destroyed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkGrace View Post
    I have mine highlighted here: http://cougaruteforum.com/showthread...hlight=Firefly

    On second thought, I would flip-flop Breaking Bad and Dexter. And, if we can include Freaks & Geeks (I think it ran '99-'00 no?), I would bump Dexter out of the top 5 so it looked like this:

    1. The Wire - the best ever

    2. Arrested Development - my favorite comedy ever

    3. Friday Night Lights - just hit me in a different spot than the other shows and a set of characters i cared more about than any other show i've ever watched

    4. Breaking Bad - would perhaps be higher but it has done things that have irked me more than any of my other favorite show

    5. Freaks and Geeks - hadn't watched this when i did my prior list, and tough to rank this year with only one season, but just so great

    Honorable Mention: Dexter - agree with Sepinwall that it can get a bit formulaic, but has provided some thrilling tv.
    No honorable mention for little Miss Vixen, Kid Chino and The Ironist? Only slightly disappointed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzle View Post
    No honorable mention for little Miss Vixen, Kid Chino and The Ironist? Only slightly disappointed...
    Funny you should say that. I actually started watching season 1 again the last couple nights. Still love it.

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    There are a few shows that should definitely be in the discussion.

    Battlestar Galactica is truly a genius show and should be on any top 5 list. Yes, it had some ups and downs, but it was remarkable and well acted with interesting storylines.

    Veronica Mars had too short of a run. That first season, yes I know that I have talked about this all too much, is an all time great first season. It was amazing. The follow up two seasons were both real good, but couldn't touch that first season.

    Buffy the Vampire Slayer is another absolutely terrific show. But it sits right on your definition of 2000...as that was right in the middle of its run.

    In terms of comedies, Arrested Development stands alone. It has since spawned a bunch of other similar type comedies like Better off Ted and Happy Endings...but AD is just awesome.

    After a relatively rocky first season, Fringe has gotten better every single year. If it can improve yet again this coming season, then this is a top 10 show in the 2000s as well.

    The UK Office is also terrific. It is a good thing and a shame that there are such few episodes...but Ricky Gervais was amazing in that role and the supporting cast was very good. The US Office was solid for the first couple of seasons...but could never live up to the relentless brutal comedy of the UK version.
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    An update to my rankings. I've now seen Friday Night Lights, Arrested Development, and Justified.

    1. The Wire: I'm still a little ashamed to have watched this, but the quality of the product is unquestionable.

    2. Mad Men = Breaking Bad: This is really a McCovey or Mantle type discussion. I can appreciate both styles and think they are clearly the best shows on TV (I haven't seen Homeland, Game of Thrones, Dexter, or any of the other premium cable shows)

    3. Toughest call is for this spot; FNL or The Shield? Very, very different shows, but both were amazing. I will give the edge to The Shield. As much as I loved the town of Dillon and the Taylors, some of the storylines were a little too soap operish.

    4) Friday Night Lights The only show I can remember that brought me to tears multiple times. The Taylors are the gold standard all other fictional marriages should be compared to. Small deduction for Riggins staring in the gawd-awful John Carter, my wife took me too.

    5) Arrested Development Another new addition to my list, thanks to Netflix. Great casting, fantastic actors, and due to its premature cancellation left me wanting more of the Bluths.

    6) Justified=The Walking Dead I'm sure there are better series, but I watch so little TV, I can't think of anything else I would put in this slot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vandelay View Post
    An update to my rankings. I've now seen Friday Night Lights, Arrested Development, and Justified.

    1. The Wire: Still a little ashamed to have watched this, but the quality of the product is unquestionable.

    2. Mad Men = Breaking Bad: This is really a McCovey or Mantle type discussion. I can appreciate both styles and think they are clearly the best shows on TV (I haven't seen Homeland, Game of Thrones, Dexter, or any of the other premium cable shows)

    3. Toughest call is for this spot. FNL or The Shield. Very, very different shows, but both were amazing. I will give the edge to The Shield. As much as I loved the town of Dillon and the Taylors, some of the storylines were a little too soap operish.

    4) Friday Night Lights The only show I can remember that brought me to tears multiple times. The Taylors are the gold standard all other fictional marriages should be compared to. Small deduction for Riggins staring in the gawd-awful John Carter, my wife too me too.

    5) Arrested Development Another new addition to my list, thanks to Netflix. Great casting, fantastic actors, and due to its premature cancellation left me wanting more of the Bluths.

    6) Justified=The Walking Dead I'm sure there are better series, but I watch so little TV, I can't think of anything else i would put in this slot.
    I'd like to go on record to say that the few episodes I've seen of FNL and Mad Men left me quite bored and not excited to watch more. I really like everything else on your list.

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    I don't know that I've watched anything that I'm ready to add to my list. Since my last ranking, I've jumped into Game of Thrones, Boardwalk Empire and Skins. The one that could likely end up in my top 5 is GoT, but I'll give it another season or two before adding it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vandelay View Post
    An update to my rankings. I've now seen Friday Night Lights, Arrested Development, and Justified.

    1. The Wire: Still a little ashamed to have watched this, but the quality of the product is unquestionable.

    2. Mad Men = Breaking Bad: This is really a McCovey or Mantle type discussion. I can appreciate both styles and think they are clearly the best shows on TV (I haven't seen Homeland, Game of Thrones, Dexter, or any of the other premium cable shows)

    3. Toughest call is for this spot. FNL or The Shield. Very, very different shows, but both were amazing. I will give the edge to The Shield. As much as I loved the town of Dillon and the Taylors, some of the storylines were a little too soap operish.

    4) Friday Night Lights The only show I can remember that brought me to tears multiple times. The Taylors are the gold standard all other fictional marriages should be compared to. Small deduction for Riggins staring in the gawd-awful John Carter, my wife too me too.

    5) Arrested Development Another new addition to my list, thanks to Netflix. Great casting, fantastic actors, and due to its premature cancellation left me wanting more of the Bluths.

    6) Justified=The Walking Dead I'm sure there are better series, but I watch so little TV, I can't think of anything else i would put in this slot.
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    I read an article on Grantland about how we've experienced a golden age of television since The Sopranos came on the scene in 1999 (so basically since 2000). This author also argued that this golden age will come to an end once Mad Men wraps and that series like The Walking Dead and Game of Thrones are hastening it.

    Hogwash.

    Game of Thrones is the natural extension of television becoming a much more serious and better written medium since the Sopranos came about. It was only a matter of time until the fantasy genre (especially one laced with political maneuvering) was given some quality treatment. The first season of Game of Thrones was my favorite season of television ever. Other series have had great first seasons and flamed out (e.g. Dexter) and I sincerely hope, but also doubt, that this is going to happen to GoT because its source material is much richer.

    But other series that would continue this golden age (as that author interprets it) have been attempted and have failed. The Killing and Hell on Wheels have been subpar, not because of concept, but because of bad writing and poor character development. In more capable hands they would succeed. Concepts like this will be developed in the future only guys like Matthew Weiner and Vince Gilligan will be behind it. Sure sophomore efforts don't always work out, but that is mostly because of the concept (e.g. Treme).

    Anyway here is my personal top 5:

    1. Game of Thrones. We've only had one season, but it was excellent. Of course if the quality goes down so will its ranking.

    2. Breaking Bad. I love this show. Why didn't Bryan Cranston get more notoriety earlier? Not many actors could have appeared as a recurring character on Seinfeld and then been the lead in something like Breaking Bad.

    3. Justified. This show started in March of 2010, is this not a show that belongs in the golden age discussion? Note to people that haven't watched this show -- you have to get through the first season, particular its first half. It finishes strong however. The second season is terrific and the third has also been great. This show has the best acting on this list aside from Breaking Bad.

    4. Friday Night Lights. I've been late to discover this show. I'm at the beginning of the 5th season right now. I don't know how I feel about the 5th season so far, I hope it finishes strong. The first season was great. The second season I feel is a little underrated, but it was interrupted by the writer's strike. The third season was a nice rebound. I liked the fourth season but I missed Tyra and I think the show suffered with Matt Saracen's absence in the second half of the season (didn't miss Minka Kelly at all). I appreciate this show's portrayal of rural (or semi-rural) America. I also like its portrayal of the Taylors marriage, their marriage and their trials seem interesting without resorting to portraying their relationship as dysfunctional (none of the other shows -- at least ones that take place on this world- on this list portray a functional marriage, think about it). Friday Night Lights is different because it was successful at making functional people interesting and was equally adept at portraying flawed individuals (Tim Riggins).

    5. Mad Men. Funny, stylish and sometimes suspenseful. I don't get into the "trying to figure out Don Draper" thing as much as other people. I appreciate the show because it's at times quite funny and it portrays the dramatic shift that took place between 1960 and 1970 (I would be willing to bet the last episode either takes place on New Year's Day 1970 or the day the Beatles broke up, April 1970). Getting January Jones off the show as a major character will only improve it. She's terrible and I invite everyone to look up what Zach Galifinakis had to say about her.

    Notable exclusions:

    The Wire. I acknowledge that the fourth season of this show was one of the greatest seasons ever. But I just couldn't get into a couple of the seasons. I still haven't bothered to watch season 5 so maybe I need to get around to doing that. I heard it was quite a dropoff from season 4.

    The Sopranos. My memory of this show fades with time. Here's the thing about The Sopranos that I don't know is discussed very much -- aside from James Gandolfo and Edie Falco -- was the acting really that great? Still, this was a great show, and is definitely sixth on my list, but it always bothered me that the dude from the E Street band got an acting gig on this show.
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    I read an article on Grantland about how we've experienced a golden age of television since The Sopranos came on the scene in 1999 (so basically since 2000). This author also argued that this golden age will come to an end once Mad Men wraps and that series like The Walking Dead and Game of Thrones are hastening it.

    Hogwash.

    Game of Thrones is the natural extension of television becoming a much more serious and better written medium since the Sopranos came about. It was only a matter of time until the fantasy genre (especially one laced with political maneuvering) was given some quality treatment. The first season of Game of Thrones was my favorite season of television ever. Other series have had great first seasons and flamed out (e.g. Dexter) and I sincerely hope, but also doubt, that this is going to happen to GoT because its source material is much richer.

    But other series that would continue this golden age (as that author interprets it) have been attempted and have failed. The Killing and Hell on Wheels have been subpar, not because of concept, but because of bad writing and poor character development. In more capable hands they would succeed. Concepts like this will be developed in the future only guys like Matthew Weiner and Vince Gilligan will be behind it. Sure sophomore efforts don't always work out, but that is mostly because of the concept (e.g. Treme).

    Anyway here is my personal top 5:

    1. Game of Thrones. We've only had one season, but it was excellent. Of course if the quality goes down so will its ranking.

    2. Breaking Bad. I love this show. Why didn't Bryan Cranston get more notoriety earlier? Not many actors could have appeared as a recurring character on Seinfeld and then been the lead in something like Breaking Bad.

    3. Justified. This show started in March of 2010, is this not a show that belongs in the golden age discussion? Note to people that haven't watched this show -- you have to get through the first season, particular its first half. It finishes strong however. The second season is terrific and the third has also been great. This show has the best acting on this list aside from Breaking Bad.

    4. Friday Night Lights. I've been late to discover this show. I'm at the beginning of the 5th season right now. I don't know how I feel about the 5th season so far, I hope it finishes strong. The first season was great. The second season I feel is a little underrated, but it was interrupted by the writer's strike. The third season was a nice rebound. I liked the fourth season but I missed Tyra and I think the show suffered with Matt Saracen's absence in the second half of the season (didn't miss Minka Kelly at all). I appreciate this show's portrayal of rural (or semi-rural) America. I also like its portrayal of the Taylors marriage, their marriage and their trials seem interesting without resorting to portraying their relationship as dysfunctional (none of the other shows -- at least ones that take place on this world- on this list portray a functional marriage, think about it). Friday Night Lights is different because it was successful at making functional people interesting and was equally adept at portraying flawed individuals (Tim Riggins).

    5. Mad Men. Funny, stylish and sometimes suspenseful. I don't get into the "trying to figure out Don Draper" thing as much as other people. I appreciate the show because it's at times quite funny and it portrays the dramatic shift that took place between 1960 and 1970 (I would be willing to bet the last episode either takes place on New Year's Day 1970 or the day the Beatles broke up, April 1970). Getting January Jones off the show as a major character will only improve it. She's terrible and I invite everyone to look up what Zach Galifinakis had to say about her.

    Notable exclusions:

    The Wire. I acknowledge that the fourth season of this show was one of the greatest seasons ever. But I just couldn't get into a couple of the seasons. I still haven't bothered to watch season 5 so maybe I need to get around to doing that. I heard it was quite a dropoff from season 4.

    The Sopranos. My memory of this show fades with time. Here's the thing about The Sopranos that I don't know is discussed very much -- aside from James Gandolfo and Edie Falco -- was the acting really that great? Still, this was a great show, and is definitely sixth on my list, but it always bothered me that the dude from the E Street band got an acting gig on this show.
    I'm curious is Game of Thrones a PG-13 (Mad Men, BB) type show or is it a definite R (The Wire) type show? What little I know about the overall theme, I'm sure there is some violence and since it is cable i assume some language issues, but don't really know much about it.

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    1. Arrested Development
    2. 24 (would be #1 if it wouldn't have dropped off so severely after season 3)
    3. Southland (best show currently in production)
    4. Friday Night Lights
    5. Veronica Mars

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vandelay View Post
    I'm curious is Game of Thrones a PG-13 (Mad Men, BB) type show or is it a definite R (The Wire) type show? What little I know about the overall theme, I'm sure there is some violence and since it is cable i assume some language issues, but don't really know much about it.
    It's a definite R. One scene, which was unnecessary, was NC-17. I wish HBO would either cut it out -- or cast Don Draper's new wife on the show.
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