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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    So - what do other churches do? What does the Catholic church or other Christian churches do? What do the Jewish or Muslim congregations do? I'm not sure I believe that the LDS church is the only religious organization in the world - or at least in the US - that gives some small gift (usually a small flower/plant or a treat) to women on Mother's Day.

    But I am pretty ethnocentric in this, I guess. Just having a hard time thinking that only Mormons care about Mother's Day.
    After a robust discussion on Twitter I had with a Harvard history professor on this, what it boils down to is that not all women want to be mothers or want to be considered mothers, and re-defining that group of women as mother's is both offensive and strange. Offensiveness is subjective, so I don't think it's worth arguing. But in isolation (and without context), I can agree that it's a little strange to label the deliberately childless as "mothers," even though the intent is to recognize the motherly qualities in all women, and not to re-define them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    After a robust discussion on Twitter I had with a Harvard history professor on this, what it boils down to is that not all women want to be mothers or want to be considered mothers, and re-defining that group of women as mother's is both offensive and strange. Offensiveness is subjective, so I don't think it's worth arguing. But in isolation (and without context), I can agree that it's a little strange to label the deliberately childless as "mothers," even though the intent is to recognize the motherly qualities in all women, and not to re-define them.
    There are seriously "robust" discussions about this? And the conclusion is that giving women a flower on Mother's Day is in the words of you and that Harvard Needleneck Wanker: "strange?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFunkhouser View Post
    I wouldn't call the gift giving "aggressive." I would probably call the gift giving "insistent." I also don't really think it is "bad" or "bizarre."
    insistent is a strong word. there was a dude holding cookies in the foyer. if a woman wanted a cookie, she walked over and grabbed one. in the past i've seen food set up in the gym - if they want food they go to the gym during RS or after church to get some. whether the word is insistent or aggressive, it's wrong. KK has said a lot of stupid stuff in her day - but this one takes the cake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    After a robust discussion on Twitter I had with a Harvard history professor on this, what it boils down to is that not all women want to be mothers or want to be considered mothers, and re-defining that group of women as mother's is both offensive and strange. Offensiveness is subjective, so I don't think it's worth arguing. But in isolation (and without context), I can agree that it's a little strange to label the deliberately childless as "mothers," even though the intent is to recognize the motherly qualities in all women, and not to re-define them.
    TBH, a harvard trained anything is probably one of the last places I would go for common sense input on any cultural matter.

    In my life I have seen women given flowers or candy/treats. I have seen them distributed either by being handed out at the exits after sacrament meeting or during a post-RS gathering in the multi-use room or other location. I have never seen any women compelled or even pressured into taking anything. I asked my wife about this and she looked at me with a combination of sadness and disdain that she reserves for the sort of questions I bring up that come from the board. I can understand women taking issue with the doctrinal and social emphasis in the church on motherhood as the most important or singular path to fulfillment for women, but it seems to me that complaining about how the church celebrates mother's day by giving out a flower or candy or similar, is just a means for critics to bring attention to themselves at the expense of a nice tradition that is neither meant to cause any ill feelings nor does it cause them in the vast majority of cases. I don't care if critics want to draw attention to themselves, but it annoys me that they choose to do so by dumping on small, cultural touchstones that are not, by any reasonable, mature evaluation, offensive.
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    Some women are upset about getting a flower or a cookie? Feel free to decline. Its not hard to do and the deacon passing out the gift isn't going to care one bit if you say no thank you.
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    Good hell, can we not join with others in our society and take one day a year to specifically celebrate motherhood? It's not about you, fuckwits, it's about your mothers. You're here because your mother carried you for nine moths, and then decided to keep your selfish, whiny little ass around. Take a short trip outside of your own egos.

    My mother passed away several years ago and I miss her horribly. I was dissapointed on Sunday when our leadership decided not to make motherhood the theme of our Sacrament Meeting. What a bunch of bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    Mrs. NWC is the official planner of our family. Her only request for Mother's Day is that she doesn't have to make a single decision. So we do a brunch and let her do whatever she wantsthe rest of the day. Most Mother's Days that entails watching a Red Sox game
    Uh oh. Those sound like decisions!


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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    Good hell, can we not join with others in our society and take one day a year to specifically celebrate motherhood? It's not about you, fuckwits, it's about your mothers. You're here because your mother carried you for nine moths, and then decided to keep your selfish, whiny little ass around. Take a short trip outside of your own egos.

    My mother passed away several years ago and I miss her horribly. I was dissapointed on Sunday when our leadership decided not to make motherhood the theme of our Sacrament Meeting. What a bunch of bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    Honestly, I'm not sure SMR's ward doesn't have the right idea.

    There are people who loathe the day, so maybe it makes sense to blow it all up. If you want to celebrate mother's day, then celebrate it however you'd like.
    I didnít make it to church yesterday because my wife believes few things celebrate motherhood less appropriately than the stress of getting the kids dressed and out the door by 8:30 to a place they donít really want to be so that they can sing songs they donít know the words to. (Lots of runny noses and nagging coughs have resulted in poor primary attendance the last two months.)

    For Easter Sundayís Sacrament meeting we had a woman from the ward and a high councilman (both of whom Iím normally very fond of) who both brought up pornography in their talks more than the atonement. And this was after several emails from the Bishopric on how Easter Sunday is a great opportunity to invite non-member friends and family to church. So maybe we should make sure weíre knocking these Sundays out of the park before we tackle Motherís and Fatherís days.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-ute View Post
    I didn’t make it to church yesterday because my wife believes few things celebrate motherhood less appropriately than the stress of getting the kids dressed and out the door by 8:30 to a place they don’t really want to be so that they can sing songs they don’t know the words to. (Lots of runny noses and nagging coughs have resulted in poor primary attendance the last two months.)

    For Easter Sunday’s Sacrament meeting we had a woman from the ward and a high councilman (both of whom I’m normally very fond of) who both brought up pornography in their talks more than the atonement. And this was after several emails from the Bishopric on how Easter Sunday is a great opportunity to invite non-member friends and family to church. So maybe we should make sure we’re knocking these Sundays out of the park before we tackle Mother’s and Father’s days.


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    I'm sorry, and I sincerely like you and don't mean this to be offensive, but this position makes no sense to me. You're suggesting that we shouldn't celebrate days for parents because you didn't care for the particular talks given on Easter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Smart bishop.

    But I can’t believe how easy it is to be outraged/offended these days. Heaven help us.
    Yep every year there are complaints.

    One year they announced they were forgoing gifts for mothers and instead making a donation for mothers at a local shelter.

    I think that year was the best (as far as the least complaining) thank goodness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    Yep every year there are complaints.

    One year they announced they were forgoing gifts for mothers and instead making a donation for mothers at a local shelter.

    I think that year was the best (as far as the least complaining) thank goodness.
    What a great idea. Our ward passed out fancy chocolates. I haven't seen the receipt yet but I am sure it is going to be a small fortune. Making a donation to the women's shelter with the money instead would be a perfect way to apply some game theory on who not to call as the next RS president.

    In bishopric meeting the bishop asked what should we do for father's day... I suggested that we just forgo the second hour meetings for all men and let the women and young men close up the church. That and outlaw men wearing ties for the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    What a great idea. Our ward passed out fancy chocolates. I haven't seen the receipt yet but I am sure it is going to be a small fortune. Making a donation to the women's shelter with the money instead would be a perfect way to apply some game theory on who not to call as the next RS president.

    In bishopric meeting the bishop asked what should we do for father's day... I suggested that we just forgo the second hour meetings for all men and let the women and young men close up the church. That and outlaw men wearing ties for the day.
    No one is forcing you to go to the first or second hour of church and no one is forcing you to wear a tie. If you don't like going, don't go. If you don't like wearing a tie, don't wear one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    What a great idea. Our ward passed out fancy chocolates. I haven't seen the receipt yet but I am sure it is going to be a small fortune. Making a donation to the women's shelter with the money instead would be a perfect way to apply some game theory on who not to call as the next RS president.

    In bishopric meeting the bishop asked what should we do for father's day... I suggested that we just forgo the second hour meetings for all men and let the women and young men close up the church. That and outlaw men wearing ties for the day.
    So - back when our Bishop decided there would be no more Mother's Day handouts, his first counselor explained to the RS president that the REAL reason for his decision was that he needed to save money so that they could afford the grills they were purchasing for all of the men for Father's Day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFunkhouser View Post
    No one is forcing you to go to the first or second hour of church and no one is forcing you to wear a tie. If you don't like going, don't go. If you don't like wearing a tie, don't wear one.
    I like going, especially on father's day... the primary children singing in sacrament is the best. I usually don't go to the second hour meetings. As for ties, I never wear ties on father's day except for one of my father's old bolo ties in his honor.
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