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    Why is it that G-strings are always the worst when it comes to tuning? It doesn't matter what make of guitar or brand of strings, the G-string is always the wonkiest.



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    Ever had a custom nut made for your guitars? A properly cut nut will usually fix this problem.

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    A nut fixing a g-string...what was this thread about again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaka View Post
    Ever had a custom nut made for your guitars? A properly cut nut will usually fix this problem.

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    So I'm not crazy? How do improperly cut nuts cause this to happen?
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    Nuts dont casue it to happen (although a bad one probabyl doesnt help). As I understand it, it is a result of the guitar as being a tempered tuned instrument. The G is either in tune with the B or the D but not both. I once read a very good article about it on the web but I cant find it now. This was as close as I got.

    http://bluegrassbanjo.org/tunessay.html

    But it gives you the idea.

    Thats why bridges sometimes (like on classical guitars) have a separate point for the G string; to try to elimiante some of the dissonant harmonics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    Nuts dont casue it to happen (although a bad one probabyl doesnt help). As I understand it, it is a result of the guitar as being a tempered tuned instrument. The G is either in tune with the B or the D but not both. I once read a very good article about it on the web but I cant find it now. This was as close as I got.

    http://bluegrassbanjo.org/tunessay.html

    But it gives you the idea.

    Thats why bridges sometimes (like on classical guitars) have a separate point for the G string; to try to elimiante some of the dissonant harmonics.
    Nuts can cause this to happen.

    I understand about tempered tuning and all of that. However a poorly cut nut (which are on most guitars) plays a huge role in this problem. Let me put it this way, I have over ten guitars at the moment and rarely have to fiddle with the tuning on any of them. In fact I just pulled a tele and a PRS out of their cases last night after two months of hibernation and both were in tune. How do I accomplish this? I take them to a very good luthier I know when I buy the guitar and he performs a fret level and makes a new nut. The other thing I do is lubricate the nut with graphite every string change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaka View Post
    Nuts can cause this to happen.

    I understand about tempered tuning and all of that. However a poorly cut nut (which are on most guitars) plays a huge role in this problem. Let me put it this way, I have over ten guitars at the moment and rarely have to fiddle with the tuning on any of them. In fact I just pulled a tele and a PRS out of their cases last night after two months of hibernation and both were in tune. How do I accomplish this? I take them to a very good luthier I know when I buy the guitar and he performs a fret level and makes a new nut. The other thing I do is lubricate the nut with graphite every string change.
    I think we are talking abotu two different things. While not quite in your neighborhood, I alos have quite a few guitars and I realize some hold a tune much better than others. But when you tune any guitar w you can never get the G string in standard tuning to be in tune with both the D and the B. Cant happen. But tose are two differnet issues. If SIEQ is talking about holding a tune andhis G string always goes out first, then you are absolutely spot on. But if he is reacting to his inability to make the G be in tune, especially when tuning by harmoinics, with both the B and the D string, then it is the inhernt nature of tempered tuning.
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    Shaka, Where do you live? In Utah, right?

    Who is a good luthier? I have a few geetars in severe need of a tuneup.

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    I'll find his number for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    I think we are talking abotu two different things. While not quite in your neighborhood, I alos have quite a few guitars and I realize some hold a tune much better than others. But when you tune any guitar w you can never get the G string in standard tuning to be in tune with both the D and the B. Cant happen. But tose are two differnet issues. If SIEQ is talking about holding a tune andhis G string always goes out first, then you are absolutely spot on. But if he is reacting to his inability to make the G be in tune, especially when tuning by harmoinics, with both the B and the D string, then it is the inhernt nature of tempered tuning.
    I'm thinking of both. The harmonics never seem quite right on the G string and the thing wanders out of tune faster than the other strings.
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    I want a new acoustic-electric guitar, and want you guitar aficionado's opinions. I've been saving gig money for some time and I want a really nice guitar that sounds good unplugged in living rooms but also kicks butt in gigs. The first question, and I know a lot of this comes down to opinion, is Martin, Taylor, or Gibson? The next question is what model. My priorities, in order, are 1) sound, 2) playing ease 3) reliability, and 4) appearance.

    I'm currently playing a Yamaha GF 441-C and it's been a great guitar, especially for the money. The GF series is probably the best low-end guitar I can think of, but after 20 years of playing, and 15 years in a band, I want more. Here is my guitar:


    Presently, I'm looking at this Martin DC-15ME. It's well within my price range, and seems to be what I'm looking for, but I want opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    I want a new acoustic-electric guitar, and want you guitar aficionado's opinions. I've been saving gig money for some time and I want a really nice guitar that sounds good unplugged in living rooms but also kicks butt in gigs. The first question, and I know a lot of this comes down to opinion, is Martin, Taylor, or Gibson? The next question is what model. My priorities, in order, are 1) sound, 2) playing ease 3) reliability, and 4) appearance.

    I'm currently playing a Yamaha GF 441-C and it's been a great guitar, especially for the money. The GF series is probably the best low-end guitar I can think of, but after 20 years of playing, and 15 years in a band, I want more. Here is my guitar:


    Presently, I'm looking at this Martin DC-15ME. It's well within my price range, and seems to be what I'm looking for, but I want opinions.
    I meant it when I said I wanted advice, so I'll keep bumping this thread until I get it. The Gibson Hummingbird Pro has great reviews and a better look:


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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    I meant it when I said I wanted advice, so I'll keep bumping this thread until I get it. The Gibson Hummingbird Pro has great reviews and a better look:

    you would be a regular hank williams playing that thing
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    Have you sang while playing these different models? Matching a guitar to your voice can be an important aspect of your sound. At the professional level, it's one of the reasons why one model is chosen over another.
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    Cowboy, if I was in the market for a guitar, I would probably go with the Gibson if the Martin cutaways were the only other option, possibly without the electronics depending on sound. I have had a cutaway A-E for 20 years and although it has seasoned well, I find myself wishing I had a really nice non-cutaway for these reasons:

    1) The cutaway kills some of the warmth IMHO. If you hardly ever play the frets that a cutaway gives better access to, then it seems like waste.

    2) I rarely plug in. Although I don't currently do any "gigs", mostly just get-togethers with family and friends. I would get along fine with an external sound hole pickup for the few times I do need amplification.

    I would love to have a well-seasoned full sounding guitar that fills and warms the room with its own natural sound. My brother has an old Yamaha 12-string that does this, and I have offered to take it off his hands. (his price is way too high)

    Not saying A-E cutaways aren't versatile because they definitely are, but I would shop for unplugged sound and feel as first priority. If I had the $$$ I would go for something like a Martin D-28.

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    I think I have that Martin- but I can't remember the exact model I have

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    I meant it when I said I wanted advice, so I'll keep bumping this thread until I get it. The Gibson Hummingbird Pro has great reviews and a better look:

    Did you not think I was serious?

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    I am embarrassed to say I can't recall the model but I own a rosewood backed solid topped Martin dreadnought. It has a pick up under the bridge and the mic type. I use it for gigging and like it. But if I could do it again I might go for a Taylor. Every time I play one I like it a lot. Still, the Martin is a sweet guitar.

    I use an old Alvarez with a florentine cut out and a passive under bridge pick up for outdoor gigs in bad weather. It's an old mid level guitar but sounds pretty good IMO.

    I would have to play a guitar before buying it. But I sure do like those Taylors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    I am embarrassed to say I can't recall the model but I own a rosewood backed solid topped Martin dreadnought. It has a pick up under the bridge and the mic type. I use it for gigging and like it. But if I could do it again I might go for a Taylor. Every time I play one I like it a lot. Still, the Martin is a sweet guitar.

    I use an old Alvarez with a florentine cut out and a passive under bridge pick up for outdoor gigs in bad weather. It's an old mid level guitar but sounds pretty good IMO.

    I would have to play a guitar before buying it. But I sure do like those Taylors.
    I tend to prefer the look of Martins, but the sound and feel of Taylors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    Did you not think I was serious?
    The Hummingbird has become very popular with the singer/songwriter crowd. Its definitely a step up from the Martin you listed. (Apologies to Commando)They sound and play great. Throw an LR Baggs Anthem in there and you will be off and running.

    Check out Larrivee. They are incredible in every way. They are right there with Martin, Taylor, and Gibson. I I really regret selling my last Larrivee.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
    I tend to prefer the look of Martins, but the sound and feel of Taylors.
    What do you mean by feel? You're a pretty big guy and I'm not. One thing I like about my Yamaha is the slender neck. Would a Taylor have a thicker neck?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaka View Post
    The Hummingbird has become very popular with the singer/songwriter crowd. Its definitely a step up from the Martin you listed. (Apologies to Commando)They sound and play great. Throw an LR Baggs Anthem in there and you will be off and running.

    Check out Larrivee. They are incredible in every way. They are right there with Martin, Taylor, and Gibson. I I really regret selling my last Larrivee.
    Thanks. Do you have a specific model you suggest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    What do you mean by feel? You're a pretty big guy and I'm not. One thing I like about my Yamaha is the slender neck. Would a Taylor have a thicker neck?



    Thanks. Do you have a specific model you suggest?
    It's the neck diameter, weight, balance, woods, finish, and so on. Occasionally when I pick up a guitar it just "feels right." It's almost mystical.

    I'm not familiar with the various Yamaha models but I'm not a fan of the big "U" boat-style necks that are common on some acoustics. I like a neck that lets me use my long fingers to best advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    What do you mean by feel? You're a pretty big guy and I'm not. One thing I like about my Yamaha is the slender neck. Would a Taylor have a thicker neck?



    Thanks. Do you have a specific model you suggest?
    I don't although in your situation I think a dreadnought or an auditorium sized guitar would serve you best. If you check out Larrivee avoid the parlor size simply because I think they aren't right for your style of music. One of the coolest things about Larrivee and Taylor is that their high-end and midrange guitars are made exactly the same way in spite of the the differences in wood and bling. My L-03 didn't have all the fancy mother of pearl and other bling but it was an incredibly good guitar. I actually prefer non-blingy guitars.

    I recommend you play a bunch. Acoustic Music in SLC is a favorite although they had a bunch of high end guitars stolen during the holidays and may not have a great selection at the moment. There are a couple of other cool acoustic guitar shops in SLC that you should check out. Also the Guitar Czar has a nice selection of Taylor and Gibson guitars. Guitar Center does have a decent acoustic room with some cool guitars.

    Other guitars you should put on your list are the American made Breedlove's and Collings.

    I agree with what others have said about playing several guitars and picking the one that speaks to you. Acoustic guitars all have a personality and it sounds a little weird but if you put in the time you will find the one that matches you. If you look in SLC I'd be happy to go shopping.

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    I'm looking to pick up a guitar with a Floyd Rose Bridge that can do some shredding. I'm interested in the ESP LTD MH-350 FR. Have any of you had experience with one? How about with the LTD line?

    Here's the guitar: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guita...lectric-guitar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
    I'm looking to pick up a guitar with a Floyd Rose Bridge that can do some shredding. I'm interested in the ESP LTD MH-350 FR. Have any of you had experience with one? How about with the LTD line?

    Here's the guitar: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guita...lectric-guitar
    They are very good. also check out the Charvel San Dimas line which I believe are made in the USA. They aren't that much more, especially used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaka View Post
    They are very good. also check out the Charvel San Dimas line which I believe are made in the USA. They aren't that much more, especially used.
    Thanks for the tip. I don't know anything about the San Dimas line, but will check it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
    Thanks for the tip. I don't know anything about the San Dimas line, but will check it out.
    They are very good. Charvel was THE name in 80's Floyd Rose guitars.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaka View Post
    They are very good. Charvel was THE name in 80's Floyd Rose guitars.


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    I remember that Charvel disappeared in the 90s. As I look at their catalog, they seem to have plenty to offer in mid-price metal guitars. If they are as good as they were in the 80s, I'll have to give some a workout.
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    I played this model at the shop today, and it played like a dream. I think I've found my shred ax.

    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DX1FRSW/
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    Cool! One of the better made Chinese guitars.

    Did you play a San Dimas?

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